VP Debate

[canpakes]

ETA: Trump wears buckets of orange makeup and Vance wears eyeliner. No big deal.

[Bond]

It's was pretty 50/50 until the last question when Vance wouldn't admit that Trump lost 2020. That one's going in an ad.

Vance helped his future career in GOP politics by being human. Basically not his usual demeanor and definitely not Trumpy. He should still probably be afraid of what he has out there since he's been on podcasts and TV hits and the Internet daily for the past 20 years. (As should we all)

Walz must have been in lockdown learning Trump hit lines for at least two weeks lol. His wife asked what he wanted for breakfast and he said "Trump's tariffs have increased the prices of food so much we can't afford to eat honey. I'll just eat some air like the rest of the teachers in America."

[Doctor Steuss]

Walz definitely isn't a very good debater, in my opinion. He seemed to kind of find his sea legs later on, but his claims of not being good at debating were definitely not exaggerated. The China visit question/answer was painfully awkward.

I think one of the most significant things to come from the debate is that JD Vance seems to not know high school level civics regarding what a Vice President can do. Either that, or he's dishonest. When it comes to anything within the MAGA orbit, it's generally a tossup between dishonesty or incompetence.

Vance certainly came across as more human and relatable than he has in any of his media blitz doing constant damage control for Trump and himself.

Overall, it was nice to see two adults in a room, rather than one adult and one erratic man-baby like we've grown accustomed to in the debates.

[Xenophon]

I think one of the most significant things to come from the debate is that JD Vance seems to not know high school level civics regarding what a Vice President can do. Either that, or he's dishonest. When it comes to anything within the MAGA orbit, it's generally a tossup between dishonesty or incompetence.

If I was a betting man I'd take odds that Vance knows his approach here is pretty disingenuous but that isn't the point. The point is to ensure that simultaneously Harris can't get credit for any of the wins of the current administration and can't lean into the hopeful message that had been playing fairly well. It is the exact kind of messaging that Trump should have been using in his debate, but he can't stay on message for more than about 10 seconds so it is hard.

[ajax18]

I also thought Vance did particularly well at staying on message around Harris already being VP and not having put some of her stated policies in place. Obviously I think there are valid answers for a lot of those points but the messaging will likely resonate with folks which is really all you're looking for.

Which would you consider a valid answer? Are you saying that Kamala Harris has different policies than Joe Biden that she would have enacted had she been president rather than vice president? Or are you claiming that the real reason that gasoline, groceries, and housing is now unaffordable for most Americans is because of Donald Trump's presidency rather than Joe Biden's?

I personally think, "Why didn't she do it," is a perfectly fair argument. The reality is that the Deep state democratic machine that is really running the country right now doesn't want a figurehead who might dare to think for himself/herself. They prefer an empty vessel like the cognitively declining Joe Biden or a Kamala Harris word salad. But regardless of who the figurehead is, it's the deep state Democratic machine that hides annonymously in the shadows that has been making the decisions even through the latter part of Trump's first term after they failed to overturn the 2016 election through the Russian collusion hoax or impeachment. It was the deep state that was responsible for the scamdemic and the cost we're paying for it right now. Though I say Biden or Harris is to blame, I recognize that the real blame belongs to the shadow regime who ultimately made the decisions that got us where we are today. But since we don't exactly know who they are, we have to say it's Biden's fault or Harris's fault, or whoever the current face of the deep state Democrat shadow government is at the time, even if that includes some uniparty political elite liberal Republicans like Romney.

Either way it'd be refreshing if Democrats would simply own the current affordability crisis rather than trying to reach back to four years ago when Trump was president. Say that too many people were dying of COVID and the cost we're paying right now is worth that. Say that Matthew 25:40 dictates that we have open borders and socialism. Therefore our reduction in standard of living and inability to afford to buy our own homes or vehicles is the price we the people are obligated to pay in order to divide our goods with those that have less. Say that you believe that climate crisis is so great, that we have no choice but to throw enormous amounts of deficit spending to develop uncompetitive green energy. Say that gasoline and electricity need to be taxed and expensive so that people use less of it. Admit that you believe the reduction in our standard of living is worth the cost you're demanding because of the results it's achieving in stopping global warming. Don't hide behind idiotic arguments like grocery stores and oil companies got greedy all the sudden when a Democrat got elected.

[ceeboo]

The reality is that the Deep state democratic machine that is really running the country right now

While I am unsure what to properly call it, "Deep state", or group of very powerful elites, or something else, I am leaning more and more and more to absolutely believing that this is the case.

I couldn't even imagine writing that a few years ago, I probably would have read it and found it be bizarre conspiracy theory garbage - Not anymore.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

The reality is that the Deep state democratic machine that is really running the country right now

While I am unsure what to properly call it, "Deep state", or group of very powerful elites, or something else, I am leaning more and more and more to absolutely believing that this is the case.

I couldn't even imagine writing that a few years ago, I probably would have read it and found it be bizarre conspiracy theory garbage - Not anymore.

If you want to understand what a conspiracy really is, read what Jack Smith dropped today.

- Doc

[ajax18]

The reality is that the Deep state democratic machine that is really running the country right now

While I am unsure what to properly call it, "Deep state", or group of very powerful elites, or something else, I am leaning more and more and more to absolutely believing that this is the case.

I couldn't even imagine writing that a few years ago, I probably would have read it and found it be bizarre conspiracy theory garbage - Not anymore.

Well it's kind of hard to argue that Biden is the acting commander in chief at this point. If he's not competent enough to run for president, why is he still president now?

The proper term is probably administrative state.

It is kind of sad that neither party seems inclined to make a case for free market economics anymore. Social Security reform remains a political impossibility as is the country ever getting out of debt.

[Moksha]

Did you notice that Vance's answers did not match Trump's position on issues (back when he could discuss issues rather than rambling with petty nonsense)? Like Vance was touting a totally different candidate.

I would be more interested in Vance's rationalization for Trump's upcoming dissolution of America.

[Dr. Sunstoned]

In the next few days, we will see Trump unwinding much of Vance's words. Vance was too accommodating and too normal. He worked to make Trump's policies seem palatable, but that's not what the MAGA radicals want. Trump will pander to his base. The problem is his base isn't big enough to get him elected.