Ikner: Trump Christian Terrorist

[Kishkumen]

By your logic all conservative Norwegians are all bad neo Nazis given the most prolific modern mass murderer was Norwegian, in Norway, when Anders Breivik killed 8 people with a car bomb then tragically killed 69 people at a youth summer camp.

Dumb. Dirt stupid.

[Gunnar]

By your logic all conservative Norwegians are all bad neo Nazis given the most prolific modern mass murderer was Norwegian, in Norway, when Anders Breivik killed 8 people with a car bomb then tragically killed 69 people at a youth summer camp.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write! Anders Breivik was very far from a typical Norwegian or even a typical conservative Norwegian. I am not saying that all conservatives or even that more than a tiny minority of them favor terrorism and mass killings. But it is a fact that the vast majority of domestic terrorists and mass shooters in recent years have had extreme, far right beliefs. This includes even the attempted assassins of Trump! They were apparently upset because Trump was not far right enough for them! Nothing in their known postings and recent history indicated that they had leftist sympathies, just the opposite!

Even after factoring in Breivik's actions, Norway has a far, far lower crime and murder rate and terrorism rate than the U.S. does. He was an extremely rare aberration as far as Norway is concerned. That's why his actions made such huge, shocked headlines all over the world!

[Kishkumen]

So the evidence is piling up. This kid was radicalized. He was a Christian. A Republican. A lover of Nazism. A racist. A believer in conspiracy theories. An election denier. MAGA. A hater of black people. A homophobe. A lover of Trump. A member of Turning Point USA.

He was in a school where white kids outnumber Latino students by more than double and black students by more than five times. FSU is a very white school. He had no reason to feel anything but perfectly at home where so many of his peers are white Republicans. But this is a time when MAGA extremists are going on the offensive starting with the president himself. This is exactly where MAGA is headed. Terrorism by MAGA extremists, even though MAGA holds the reins of power.

[Gunnar]

So the evidence is piling up. This kid was radicalized. He was a Christian. A Republican. A lover of Nazism. A racist. A believer in conspiracy theories. An election denier. MAGA. A hater of black people. A homophobe. A lover of Trump. A member of Turning Point USA.

He was in a school where white kids outnumber Latino students by more than double and black students by more than five times. FSU is a very white school. He had no reason to feel anything but perfectly at home where so many of his peers are white Republicans. But this is a time when MAGA extremists are going on the offensive starting with the president himself. This is exactly where MAGA is headed. Terrorism by MAGA extremists, even though MAGA holds the reins of power.

Right! Equating or associating domestic terrorism with progressive or left-leaning people couldn't be farther from the truth or more ridiculous!

[Kishkumen]

Also remarkable is the fact that attempts or plans against Trump emerge from the same right-wing acolytes of hate.

One excerpt from the document, as per the federal affidavit said, "As to why, specifically Trump, I think it's pretty obvious. By getting rid of the president and perhaps the vice president, that is guaranteed to bring in some chaos."

Nikita's manifesto also had images of Adolf Hitler with phrases like, "HAIL HITLER HAIL THE WHITE RACE HAIL VICTORY".

Meanwhile, Nikita Casap's public defender Nicole Ostrowski, had moved court last month to dismiss some of the chargers against him including, theft. She said that the prosecutors had not laid of their case, adding that her client was still too young. "He is still in high school," she said on March 12.

According to a CNN report, Nikita's classmate told the sheriff's office last month that Casap had told him he planned to kill parents but did not have access to a gun.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne ... 32642.html

[Markk]

By your logic all conservative Norwegians are all bad neo Nazis given the most prolific modern mass murderer was Norwegian, in Norway, when Anders Breivik killed 8 people with a car bomb then tragically killed 69 people at a youth summer camp.

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write! Anders Breivik was very far from a typical Norwegian or even a typical conservative Norwegian. I am not saying that all conservatives or even that more than a tiny minority of them favor terrorism and mass killings. But it is a fact that the vast majority of domestic terrorists and mass shooters in recent years have had extreme, far right beliefs. This includes even the attempted assassins of Trump! They were apparently upset because Trump was not far right enough for them! Nothing in their known postings and recent history indicated that they had leftist sympathies, just the opposite!

Even after factoring in Breivik's actions, Norway has a far, far lower crime and murder rate and terrorism rate than the U.S. does. He was an extreme aberration as far as Norway is concerned.

You should read a bit more. The vast majority of domestic terrorism in the US is by far, and not even close, left wing supporting folks. Rioting, burning buildings, destroying Teslas, tearing down and destroying national monuments, throwing rocks and bottles at law enforcement, etc. Gunnar, it is not even close. The majority of mass shootings by many definitions are by those in blue cities that support the left wing. You simply have no idea what you are even saying. On US campuses, who is by far the majority of those destroying public and private property and demanding tax payer monies and resources to manage the messes? On campuses, who is allowing these protests and allowing them to get out of hand?

Do a read on Aiden Hale, and read about his/her writings that were suppressed, then leaked.

Norway is a small country blessed with natural resources. And they have their own issues, and are growing more and more racially divided. Comparing them with a country the size of the US is just nonsense. There are 5.5 million people in Norway, and as a comparison, NYC alone has around 8 million people. Norway is the size of Montana in land mass, and in population the size of Minnesota.

Do you believe that Norway should continue to allow basically uncontrolled immigration of Muslims into the country? Here is a interesting article....

31% of Norwegians believe that Muslims want to take over Europe

Similar ideas have found a receptive audience that is wider than individual politicians and the members of a few extremist groups. A survey conducted by the Norwegian Center for Holocaust and Minority Studies found that as many as a third, or more accurately 31 percent, of Norwegians agreed with the statement “Muslims want to take over Europe”. Half of the population agreed that Islamic values were wholly or partly incompatible with the values of Norwegian society. In addition, almost a third expressed a desire to distance themselves socially from Muslims.

On the basis of several other indicators, the researchers behind the survey concluded that slightly over a quarter of the respondents scored highly in all dimensions and thus, according to the researchers, could be categorized as Islamophobic.

In other words, we are not talking about marginal views here. Nevertheless, there is a very crucial distinction between the parts of the population that support some of the claims of the Eurabia theory and those that hold the most extreme anti-Muslim views.

https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/new ... y-and.html

My point is that you are way off on your assertions. Most domestic terrorism in the US is committed by left wing supporting folks, as are mass shootings (four or more). The most horrific mass shooter that I can think of is Norwegian and murdered 77 innocent Norwegians in a day, and that roughly 1/3 of Norwegians have racist opinion Muslim immigrants changing their heritage and history.

I will close with, wouldn't it be fair to say for the very most part, people who murder other people are sick, mentally ill people, or just down right evil? If I were to go out on a limb, and had to guess what may be the largest issue with people that commit terrible crimes, and those that end up behind bars, is a lack of a father or father figure in their lives. That would be an interesting thread I would love to dig into a learn more about and discuss.

[Markk]

By your logic all conservative Norwegians are all bad neo Nazi's given the most prolific modern mass murderer was Norwegian, in Norway, when Anders Breivik killed 8 people with a car bomb then tragically killed 69 people at a youth summer camp.

Dumb. Dirt stupid.

How....? Explain how in regard to the assertions Gunnar is coming up with. I tell you what, given as it seems, you are a student of guilt by political association and ideology, what are those that follow the lefts ideologies guilty of? It will mean you will actually have to write an open and objective narrative of what you might support and believe, which in my opinion would be a big step forward for you here.

[Physics Guy]

Burning every Tesla ever made would not equal one murder.

[Bret Ripley]

You should read a bit more. The vast majority of domestic terrorism in the US is by far, and not even close, left wing supporting folks.

You could try to make that case with actual data, but it will only demonstrate just how banana pants that statement is.

[Gunnar]

That is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write! Anders Breivik was very far from a typical Norwegian or even a typical conservative Norwegian. I am not saying that all conservatives or even that more than a tiny minority of them favor terrorism and mass killings. But it is a fact that the vast majority domestic terrorists and mass shooters in recent years have had extreme, far right beliefs. This includes even the attempted assassins of Trump! They were apparently upset because Trump was not far right enough for them! Nothing in their known postings and recent history indicated that they had leftist sympathies, just the opposite!

Even after factoring in Breivik's actions, Norway has a far, far lower crime and murder rate and terrorism rate than the U.S. does. He was an extreme aberration as far as Norway is concerned.

You should read a bit more. The vast majority of domestic terrorism in the US is by far, and not even close, left wing supporting folks. Rioting, burning buildings, destroying Teslas, tearing down and destroying national monuments, throwing rocks and bottles at law enforcement, etc. Gunnar, it is not even close. The majority of mass shootings by many definitions are by those in blue cities that support the left wing. You simply have no idea what you are even saying. On US campuses, who is by far the majority of those destroying public and private property and demanding tax payer monies and resources to manage the messes? On campuses, who is allowing these protests and allowing them to get out of hand?

Do a read on Aiden Hale, and read about his/her writings that were suppressed, then leaked.

Norway is a small country blessed with natural resources. And they have their own issues, and are growing more and more racially divided. Comparing them with a country the size of the US is just nonsense. There are 5.5 million people in Norway, and as a comparison, NYC alone has around 8 million people. Norway is the size of Montana in land mass, and in population the size of Minnesota.

Do you believe that Norway should continue to allow basically uncontrolled immigration of Muslims into the country? Here is a interesting article....

31% of Norwegians believe that Muslims want to take over Europe

Similar ideas have found a receptive audience that is wider than individual politicians and the members of a few extremist groups. A survey conducted by the Norwegian Center for Holocaust and Minority Studies found that as many as a third, or more accurately 31 percent, of Norwegians agreed with the statement “Muslims want to take over Europe”. Half of the population agreed that Islamic values were wholly or partly incompatible with the values of Norwegian society. In addition, almost a third expressed a desire to distance themselves socially from Muslims.

On the basis of several other indicators, the researchers behind the survey concluded that slightly over a quarter of the respondents scored highly in all dimensions and thus, according to the researchers, could be categorized as Islamophobic.

In other words, we are not talking about marginal views here. Nevertheless, there is a very crucial distinction between the parts of the population that support some of the claims of the Eurabia theory and those that hold the most extreme anti-Muslim views.

https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/new ... y-and.html

My point is that you are way off on your assertions. Most domestic terrorism in the US is committed by left wing supporting folks, as are mass shootings (four or more). The most horrific mass shooter that I can think of is Norwegian and murdered 77 innocent Norwegians in a day, and that roughly 1/3 of Norwegians have racist opinion Muslim immigrants changing their heritage and history.

I will close with, wouldn't it be fair to say for the very most part, people who murder other people are sick, mentally ill people, or just down right evil? If I were to go out on a limb, and had to guess what may be the largest issue with people that commit terrible crimes, and those that end up behind bars, is a lack of a father or father figure in their lives. That would be an interesting thread I would love to dig into a learn more about and discuss.

I concede that I should have done more fact checking before making some of my remarks. But it is still true that Norway has a much lower murder rate and domestic terrorism rate than we do, and it is still true that "Even after factoring in Breivik's actions, Norway has a far, far lower crime and murder rate and terrorism rate than the U.S. does. He was an extreme aberration as far as Norway is concerned."

But as for more recent history,

"Right-wing extremists committed every ideologically driven mass killing identified in the U.S. in 2022, with an "unusually high" proportion perpetrated by white supremacists, according to a new report published Thursday.

Driving the news: The high number of killings linked to white supremacists was "primarily due to mass shootings," the report released by the Anti-Defamation League found.

Although there was a decrease in extremist killings in 2022 from 2021, the number was comparable to the number of extremist killings in 2020.
The report noted that 60% of the deaths stemming from extremist mass killings in 2022 came from two incidents: the racist mass shooting in a supermarket in Buffalo, New York and a mass shooting at an LGBTQ nightclub in Colorado Springs."

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-k ... eport-2022

But, admittedly, this is true only of ideologically driven mass killings. It doesn't take into account all the non-ideologically driven mass killings.

As for the BLM demonstrations, none of the violence was condoned by BLM leaders and was, in fact, condemned by the leaders of the movement. My impression is that the violence was far more likely instigated by anti-BLM agitators than by BLM advocates themselves though, I won't entirely rule out the possibility that some of them became a bit overzealous, especially when confronted by violent anti-BLM agitators. In my community there were some BLM demonstrators, but none of them committed violence or vandalism, and I sympathized with them. A big mistake made by the BLM movement was not including the word "too" after the words "black lives matter", causing some to incorrectly infer that BLM was somehow implying that they meant only black lives, or that black lives mattered more than other lives.

And it is also true, however, that the 31% of Norwegians who think that Muslims want to take over Europe is still a minority. Certainly, though, Norwegians would rightly be opposed to unlimited immigration of countless numbers of people wanting to become Norwegian citizens and enjoy all the benefits of Norwegian citizenship and society. But I also admit that Islamists make no secret of their ambition to eventually take over the entire world--not just Europe.