Violating Christian principles and commandments

[Kishkumen]

Trump is not Christian. Christian nationalism is not Christian. MAGA is not Christian. JD Vance has been called out for his lack of understanding of Catholicism. I would not trust anyone in this administration to understand let alone act Christian.

[Jersey Girl]

Galations 5 KJV

Group 1

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

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Group 2

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Question: Which group of characteristics above do you see represented when you follow reports from a variety of sources or read whitehouse.gov about the current administration and it's leader?

Note the directive in verse 26.

[Jersey Girl]

Matthew 22 KJV

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The above are non-negotiable commandments.

Question: Do you see evidence in the current reports of these or violations?

Remember that Christians aren't to judge the heart of another person. I'm not judging hearts or asking you to. I'm examining and judging behavior and asking you to join me in doing so. You don't even have to reply to any of these but I'd appreciate if you'd at least go through them if you're of a mind to.

[Jersey Girl]

Phillipians 4:8 KJV

8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

The above has become a new life verse for me since I've been unwell for the past 2 years. I think of these things and seek them out. It brings me joy and and peace. If you're LDS you know parts of this as Article of Faith 13. I don't see current reports that convey the above.

Question: Do you?

Feel free to post any comparisons you'd like to share.

[canpakes]

But it's still the case that rich people owe a bigger debt to the law than poor people do, because the rich benefit more from their legal right to own their great wealth than the poor benefit from their right to own the little they have. If the law demands a proportionate fee, in the form of proportional or even progressive taxation, who is to say this is wrong?

Given the role that property plays in the personal wealth of many families with ties to initial settlement of the States, and the fact that the land was deeded to them out of whole cloth by the government, one can certainly argue that giving some support back to that same government that is making the laws that protect said ownership, is a reasonable exchange.

[Jersey Girl]

Not scripture this time. An expression of my inner self.

The New Collosus by Emma Lazarus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

[Jersey Girl]

I think that Kish hits the nail on the head when he writes about Christian Nationalism not being consistent with Christianity. I know that some folks just refer to Trump supporters as Christians without distinction when I know good and well you are not stuffing us all in the same box.

Some of us are paying attention. We pay attention to the news reports. We use our ability to think critically, to judge what we see for ourselves and also weigh what we see against scripture. I guess that's what I wanted to demonstrate with this thread. Take a stand using evidences in scripture. I can't know if I failed or succeeded.

But I know this.

God is not the author of confusion and above all else, cruetly isn't Christianity.

This is exactly how I see Trump and his administration.

1 Cor 13: Verse 1-3 KJV

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Well of course I have to post the rest. Feel free to have a little stroll through it and keep in mind that charity = love.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

[Physics Guy]

Given the role that property plays in the personal wealth in many families with ties to initial settlement of the States, and the fact that the land was deeded to them out of whole cloth by the government, one can certainly argue that giving some support back to that same government that is making the laws that protect said ownership, is a reasonable exchange.

I think this is just one example of a bigger fact. Without exploiting any social infrastructure, and instead relying solely on one’s own skill and effort, one can only get rich by Stone Age standards. You can chip out a good, sharp rock, then maybe kill some animals, scrape their hides, stitch a tent with their sinews, and so on. You’re rich for a Neanderthal. Getting even the most modest wealth by modern standards only happens with immense help from the rest of society, in providing all the many things you need. The idea that anyone is entitled to all that they have because they got it all through their own work or merit is a fantasy.

[Dr. Shades]

It’s easy to be generous with someone else’s money. Is that what Jesus was advocating?

No, he's advocating the richest man in the world to use his own money to help children rather than to kill them.

I don't think the richest man in the world is using his own money to kill children.

It’s easy to be generous with someone else’s money. Is that what Jesus was advocating?

A democratic republic is not a personal buffet.

Maybe that's what DOGE is meant to address.

[Markk]

I really need a detox from all of this but something came up and I feel compelled to take a stand on the issue of violations of Christian principle and commandments we're seeing in the news reports re: the current administration. Following are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ as reported in New Testament Scripture. I claim him as my Lord and Savior. You all know these but please review one more time if you will. You don't have to be a Christian believer to read. Hopefully you are also familiar with the lead up to the following.

Matthew 25 beginning at verse 31. KJV

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Thank you. Now please compare the above to this 7+ minute video and what is revealed there.

Lawrence: Bill Gates says world’s richest person is killing world’s poorest children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIQq-odeh0k

Question: Violation of not?

As the thread starter, I really do not want to see a name calling back and forth here. Only examination of the scripture vs. what we're seeing in the news. I'm still pretty sick. I'll try my best to jump back into the thread when I can handle it. I might not return to this until Monday.

Thanks for joining if you're interested.

Jersey Girl

The context is not about literal nations, but people. What are we, as people, doing to do what is discussed in the passage? I believe that most everyone on this forum is in the top 2% of wage earners in the world. If you make 100k, with your spouse or partner, your are in the 1.9% of the world richest people. If you make 50k a year alone your are the same. The device that we are typing on, probably cost us enough to feed a family in a impoverished country for a year or two.

I am certainly blessed and do not do all I can do, not even close. The passage is not about blaming others who have more than us, but about convicting our hearts of those that have much.

I stand convicted.