Outlier

[Shulem]

One problem, MG, is that even if everyone suddenly decides to let you determine how they must respond to your thread and do exactly as you demand, you haven't even indicated how you intend to use that information towards a decision to actually stay or go. And further, your behavior is erratic enough that even if you do specify precisely how the results will be used, you may not actually abide by the results or if you do, change your mind a few weeks later.

It's all a trick. A trick from the troll!

Shulem knows.

[malkie]

One problem, MG, is that even if everyone suddenly decides to let you determine how they must respond to your thread and do exactly as you demand, you haven't even indicated how you intend to use that information towards a decision to actually stay or go. And further, your behavior is erratic enough that even if you do specify precisely how the results will be used, you may not actually abide by the results or if you do, change your mind a few weeks later.

I can see your point, Gad. I'm voting for the principle that board members who choose to participate (perhaps with a tiny number of exceptions), should not be run off. I really don't care how MG uses the results, or if he does. I see this as quite different from the situation a few days ago when MG was putting the onus on me to decide if I should be on his "ignore" list. I'm not making a decision for him in this case, which I refused to make in the other case.

[Shulem]

I don't want this to be an MG thread.

You're a liar. You most certainly do want another MG thread. You're just like Donald Trump! Did you vote for that sorry bastard?

[Limnor]

One problem, MG, is that even if everyone suddenly decides to let you determine how they must respond to your thread and do exactly as you demand, you haven't even indicated how you intend to use that information towards a decision to actually stay or go. And further, your behavior is erratic enough that even if you do specify precisely how the results will be used, you may not actually abide by the results or if you do, change your mind a few weeks later.

I can see your point, Gad. I'm voting for the principle that board members who choose to participate (perhaps with a tiny number of exceptions), should not be run off. I really don't care how MG uses the results, or if he does. I see this as quite different from the situation a few days ago when MG was putting the onus on me to decide if I should be on his "ignore" list. I'm not making a decision for him in this case, which I refused to make in the other case.

The choice is MG’s, not anyone else’s. No one is “running him off,” even if the vote went that way. It’s still his choice.

[Res Ipsa]

BS.

[Limnor]

Poor fellow is a victim.

[Marcus]

Oh boy. Let's start with just one of mentalgymnast's distortions:

...But for some...a critical mass(?) my presence here seems to rock the boat and upset the happy equilibrium of consensus and congeniality. In a recent thread it was expressed that the "echo chamber" is the goal and it is welcome.

That is completely and totally not true, but this is a great example of how mentalgymnast distorts to the point of lying.

Here are the facts. Limnor posted a question:

...Could be shades wants to avoid the perception of an echo chamber?

Mentalgymnast then posted this ridiculous distortion:

...Interesting to hear someone admit and celebrate the "echo chamber" status of this board and the fact that this is the desired outcome for board members as a whole. And that one or more board members are congratulated for doing what it takes to make it so...

Malkie noted his distortion, and even commented about it to mg.

But it didn't stop mentalgymnast from running with the lie, combining it with other lies and distortions, creating a big, messy, pity party, calling himself a victim, announcing he does NOT want another thread about him(!!!!), and then picking up his marbles and stomping out.

He can't be anything but himself, and again he is stereotyping and disparaging our community. All while breaking another rule he clearly knows by starting a thread about himself in a forum intended for Mormon topics.

QED.

[Shulem]

Poor fellow is a victim.

Yes he is. But he's welcome to "Stay" until Shades bans or suspends him.

[malkie]

I can see your point, Gad. I'm voting for the principle that board members who choose to participate (perhaps with a tiny number of exceptions), should not be run off. I really don't care how MG uses the results, or if he does. I see this as quite different from the situation a few days ago when MG was putting the onus on me to decide if I should be on his "ignore" list. I'm not making a decision for him in this case, which I refused to make in the other case.

The choice is MG’s, not anyone else’s. No one is “running him off,” even if the vote went that way. It’s still his choice.

You're right, of course, Limnor - bad choice of words on my part.

I'm trying to look at this from MG's PoV, and, although I don't think MG is completely sincere, I don't want to contribute to his feeling of being unwelcome. That siad, I'd "vote" the same way for an Englishman

[Shulem]

Another thread all about MG and has nothing to do with Mormonism.

This thread is a TRAP! Beware, dear posters. Don't say, "Go!" If you do, you have broken the rules of the board and are subject to correction.

In a recent thread it has become even more clear/apparent to me that I am an 'outlier' on this board. I am accused of being hateful, disrespectful, sexist, you name it, I've been called it.

Honestly, I do enjoy the tension in some of the great discussions I've been able to participate in. Not a few started by me. God writing using crooked lines being a recent example. It's been fun.

But for some...a critical mass(?) my presence here seems to rock the boat and upset the happy equilibrium of consensus and congeniality. In a recent thread it was expressed that the "echo chamber" is the goal and it is welcome. Some will say in response that members of the board don't always see eye to eye. Well, that may be true to some extent. But on the "important" issues there is general consensus. Those that offer alternative points of view or additional information are a pariah.

I don't want this to be an MG thread. I would simply ask one question. Should I stay or go? Some have expressed that I should be banned or censored in some form/manner.

In my heart/mind I have been an honest broker and am completely self aware of my actions and those things which I've said/contributed. I will/would not change from the core of who I am just as those here are unlikely to.

Stay or go? Let's decide it once and for all here folks.

Please please please...no long diatribes defending this or that point of view this time around. If you have an opinion simply post:

Stay
OR
Go

One word answer is fine. I will not be offended. I was straight up in the "troll thread", I would expect nothing less.

Again, please, one word response...Stay or Go. Otherwise things will devolve into an "all about MG" thread. That road has been traveled enough times to wear a rut many times over. Not that I particularly enjoyed it.

You have all had enough experience with me. Those reading this have an opinion.

Stay or go?

I don't want Shades to have to be the one to make the decision one way or the other. He's been pretty tolerant even when I've disagreed with him on one thing or another.

I would appreciate it if you have hard words for me that you PM me privately. On this thread simply a "Stay" or "Go" would be good.

Think about the board as a whole and what YOU want it to be.

Thanks all!

Regards,
MG

P.S.
I'll exit from this thread, ignore it, and check back in a few days and take a count. In the meantime I will not muddy the waters by participating on other threads. I know this is rather public but I think there are posters that would like to resolve this once and for all. Please, no conditional responses...just stay or go.

Sorry about the length.

I'm out!

Have a nice weekend everyone. I'm taking off to California for a beach vacation on Monday.