Trump's "Non-Starter"

[_EAllusion]

3. If Trump doesn't get his wall, it would all but guarantee he only has two more years left as President.

I very much doubt that. The sort of people who would be upset with Trump for not achieving a wall on the US-Mexico border are the same voters who will vote for Trump as reliably as any demographic.

[_subgenius]

https://www.fedweek.com/issue-briefs/demographics-of-federal-workforce-summarized/

I just want it noted that the Leftist Loonies on this board are ok with hundreds of thousands of women and minorities being put out of work because the Democrats don't want to give Trump his money. This is racism and misogyny, pure and simple. Knowing the Wall won't stop illegal immigration really underscores this point, that they're willing to take away money from women and minorities as a political bargaining chip.

- Doc

I just want it noted that Doc believes in rewarding hostage takers.

Yeah, that moves us toward a solution.

just because you keep repeating "hostage" doesn't make it true. Only weak minded and emotional liberals wouldfall for such a characterization.
Pelosi will own 100% of this shutdown soon. She owns it more with every "non starter" response.
But if you insist on a "hostage" analogy and that Trump is the hostage taker then what we are seeing is Trump offering to let women and children go and Pelosi responding that its either all the hostages or no one gets free.

[_EAllusion]

Subgenius has approximately 10k posts claiming that whatever Republicans are doing in that exact moment is good and will lead to unending triumph.

[_Res Ipsa]

Baby steps. McConnell and Schumer cut a deal. Two bills: Trump’s and one that reopens the government until 2/8. I believe that was the date in the bills back in December that Trump did his 180 on. With the government reopened, Democrats can negotiate on immigration after maintaining their no negotiation while the government is closed position.

[_honorentheos]

Baby steps. McConnell and Schumer cut a deal. Two bills: Trump’s and one that reopens the government until 2/8. I believe that was the date in the bills back in December that Trump did his 180 on. With the government reopened, Democrats can negotiate on immigration after maintaining their no negotiation while the government is closed position.

My understanding is neither bill has 60 votes right now, and isn't likely to get there. The McConnell bill, backed by Trump and largely reflective of Trump's Saturday "deal", nor the bill Schumer is bringing forward which is the one passed by the House to reopen the government and put border security to the side, are expected to pull enough people across the aisles to get passed. And the House bill lacks any indications Trump is willing to support it if it passes the Senate so it's probably DOA regardless.

But it is baby steps in that it shows McConnell realized waiting for Trump and Pelosi to agree on anything that the Senate could vote on without having to get into the mud and get dirty was a pipe dream, so holding out was going bad for everyone. It's a meaningful if small shift that hopefully gets us to actual bipartisan legislation that can pass the Senate.

[_Res Ipsa]

It’s hard to say. It could be that McConnell has discussed the house bill with Trump, and he has agreed to sign it if the other bill fails. What he gets out of it is a vote from Democrats against border security to batter them with and getting the SOTU platform back. And, if he doesn’t get what he wants on immigration, he can try and set up the next shutdown a little more artfully so that he isn’t left shouldering most of the blame.

[_ajax18]

Just declare a state of National Emergency to get the wall started. It won't happen any other way.

[_Res Ipsa]

Just declare a state of National Emergency to get the wall started. It won't happen any other way.

And then the next President can call climate change a national emergency and start building concentrated solar plants and really subsidizing electric cars. You’ll be down with that, right?

[_Kevin Graham]

Just declare a state of National Emergency to get the wall started. It won't happen any other way.

Courts would toss that out as BS in a heartbeat. Which is why he hasn't done it.

“The Supreme Court has made it very clear – even in times of emergency – the president of the United States of America cannot spend money unless it’s been authorized by the Congress,” Napolitano told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo Opens a New Window. on Monday.

In 1950, President Harry Truman proclaimed a state of emergency during the Korean War to nationalize the steel industry, but the Supreme Court struck it down.

“When there was a steel strike during the Korean War he asked the Congress to seize the steel mills and operate them against the striker’s wishes and produce steel for our troops who desperately needed [it] in the Korean War,” said Napolitano. “The Supreme Court said no, you can’t do that. Congress can do it. Congress can pay for the steel mills and operate them but the president can’t do it on his own.”

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/tr ... napolitano

[_ajax18]

And then the next President can call climate change a national emergency and start building concentrated solar plants and really subsidizing electric cars. You’ll be down with that, right?

I won't like it but i'd be very surprised if the next Democratic president doesn't do this and similar things.