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_Chap
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SPG wrote:I have an entire vocabulary that I could beat you down with, words, phrases, and concepts that are thousands of years old.


Bring it on!

(So long as it isn't Reformed Egyptian, of course!)
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SPG wrote:That the thread is labelled "“F” GOD" is a neon welcome sign for any theodicy that I might want to bring. I was going to let it go, not be a prick, but it beckoned to me. It pisses me off when people that don't believe in God intentionally attack God for the sake of hate and rage.


Oh see. Isn't it funny how two people can read the same words and come up with different interpretations? I saw a guy in emotional pain and a chance to lend comfort, encouragement, and support, whereas you saw an invitation that beckoned you to play pissing contest for God.
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SPG wrote:You don't realize it, but I have an entire vocabulary that I could beat you down with, words, phrases, and concepts that are thousands of years old.


I'd very much like to see you do it. Go ahead. Throw down.
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SPG wrote:
Chap wrote:What annoys me are the damn stupid ideas that people create in order to deal with the obvious problems posed by imagining that the universe is run by a powerful, wise and just being. Mormon theodicy (just look the damn word up, Ajax) is just one of the most obviously laughable examples.

You don't realize it, but I have an entire vocabulary that I could beat you down with, words, phrases, and concepts that are thousands of years old. They ancient people are the ones that worked with the "damn stupid ideas" that are the foundation everything you know and see.

Granted, I get that you think you are smarter then all the humans that have come before you. But to me, your mind is limited and restricted to a 3 dimensional thinking. You cannot even master 4th dimensional thinking, let along 5th, or 6th, or God forbid 11th.

But on the 4th dimensional plane, you are just one person in a long events. You know nothing that wasn't taught to you by people that came before. But all you have to offer those that come after you is pride and ego of thinking you are smarter then those that came before. . . . and that is what you will teach those that come after. You will be their idiot.


Yeah, it’s pretty clear why people on message boards stop interacting with you.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
SPG wrote:You don't realize it, but I have an entire vocabulary that I could beat you down with, words, phrases, and concepts that are thousands of years old.


I'd very much like to see you do it. Go ahead. Throw down.


Weren't you just clutching your pearls about posters fighting, and here you are...?

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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As a veteran of these boards, I'd like to note that we have seen a well-known pattern acted out in recent posts:

TBM or similar '<obvious nonsense of one kind or another>'

Sceptic: '<points out the obviously nonsensical nature of previous post, citing counter-evidence and noting flaws in argument>'

TBM or similar 'OK, you may look clever now, and I know people will be thinking how dumb I am for posting as I did. BUT you'll be sorry when <imaginary future event occurs> and you'll be the one that looks stupid then!'

This pattern needs a name of some kind. Any proposals?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Chap wrote:
SPG wrote:I have an entire vocabulary that I could beat you down with, words, phrases, and concepts that are thousands of years old.


Bring it on!

(So long as it isn't Reformed Egyptian, of course!)

Well, maybe I was hasty. Everything I have offered for consideration you have rejected, or just called me an idiot.

What I mean by vocabulary is that there are modern fields of study, that address old ideas, that address how the brain interacts with the universe. Basically, consciousness.

That gets into dimensions of perception. Like most humans can 3 dimensions, but a few can only see 2 dimensions. Things are flat to them.

We love crimes mysteries because we want to exercise our 4th dimensional sight. We want to look at something NOW and see what happened in the past.

There are about 11 or 12 dimensions that researchers look at. But 5th dimension is about how you emotionally see something. Maybe it's just a spider, but you see a monster.

Every perspective is a part of the universe, (yes, dum,dumb, even mine). My mind is like a scary cave of wonders, but it is still part of what is. When we look at each other, we also see the things that are physical. Like a loved one might look like any other monkey, but you something more. You see an emotional connection, history and future. The history and future are not actually in the universe except as creations in your mind.

So the dimensions of the mind, separate from the physical universe are just as important to our realty.

People like to fall back on the physical universe because it doesn't require my approval. But there are other places, right here with us, that we don't see well.

Anyway, I find many of your responses to be.... Limited.
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Chap wrote:TBM or similar 'OK, you may look clever now, and I know people will be thinking how dumb I am for posting as I did. BUT you'll be sorry when <imaginary future event occurs> and you'll be the one that looks stupid then!'

This pattern needs a name of some kind. Any proposals?

Wishful prescience?
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
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Chap wrote:As a veteran of these boards, I'd like to note that we have seen a well-known pattern acted out in recent posts:

TBM or similar '<obvious nonsense of one kind or another>'

Sceptic: '<points out the obviously nonsensical nature of previous post, citing counter-evidence and noting flaws in argument>'

TBM or similar 'OK, you may look clever now, and I know people will be thinking how dumb I am for posting as I did. BUT you'll be sorry when <imaginary future event occurs> and you'll be the one that looks stupid then!'

This pattern needs a name of some kind. Any proposals?

While I hate to be predictable, I have to deal with it.

I said later generations will call you an idiot, if they talk about you at all. I said this because this is the spirit you are creating. You are calling your forefathers idiots. But they held the gap. Will you? Will your disrespect be passed on?

I don't usually see stupid people, unless it's like someone putting out their cigarette in front of a gas pump.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
I'd very much like to see you do it. Go ahead. Throw down.


Weren't you just clutching your pearls about posters fighting, and here you are...?

- Doc


No. I was condemning the use of slimy tactics and lies. SPG made a claim. I'm asking him to make good on it. And, I don't have pearls to clutch.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
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