Covington Kids Exonerated from Wrong-doing

[_EAllusion]

Oh, I see. Keep insisting I've said nothing wrong was done because I'm sure you can post a quote supporting that. Jesus, you have a hard time with mea culpas.

You have criticized describing mock chanting and tomahawk chops as racist because in your idiosyncratic view that word is reserved solely for expressing only a narrow version of racism. Instead, you’ve characterized as “ignorance” and any criticism of it that seemingly exists as inappropriately over the top. Just kids being kids with overt racist taunting I guess. Sandman you have explicitly stated did nothing wrong. He was just politely standing there keeping his cool.

It’s pretty hard not to read this, when coupled with your entirely different attitude towards other kinds of racist expression, as you just not seeing racist jeering of Native Americans as all that big of a deal. It’s otherwise difficult to understand why you’d take offense at comparing tomahawk chops and mock chanting to a minstrel display. It’s almost an exact correspondence.

You do tend to be Joe middle ground and it is correct that the middle ground position in America is still pretty hostile to indigenous people.

[_honorentheos]

So came up empty?

[_honorentheos]

It's interesting how charging someone as being racist is treated like this conversation ending Trump card. You seem to be trying hard to misrepresent what I said in order to try and scare me with the charge of being a racist because of what I've said in this thread. All I can say is it's incredibly bad form on your part, and all the more distasteful given it seems to be your alternative to just accepting you could have held off on judging what happened based on a short video clip shared on social media.

But please, keep it up. I like having examples to point to that support my arguments against hyper partisanship.

[_Dr. Shades]

Once again, I think it was DoctorCamNC4Me who brought up a great point: Why are we so focused on these high school kids and a few of their racially insensitive gestures when just yards away was a group of Black Hebrew Israelites throwing out blatant, obvious, and advertent racist statements and insults?

Shouldn't the latter be the focus here?

[_Maksutov]

Get my money back? I just sent more! It's that important in my opinion.

Perhaps you should start listening to Prgaer U - It might widen your currently narrow field of vision - and who knows, you might actually gain some much needed balance and wisdom.

I've watched Prager before. He's a dishonest bigot. Sorry if that impresses you. If you have money to burn I'm happy for you.

Here's something to add to your "fear of the left".

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[_EAllusion]

So came up empty?

Do you think I inaccurately summarized what you stated over the course of over a dozen posts there? Because linking what you just said on my phone seems onerous given that you just said it. The racist jeering was so minor in your view that even saying they should feel shame about it is going way too far, and the passive-aggressive stare down was nothing of the sort . Ok. I'm not going to be gas-lit by this version of events, and we'll leave it at that. If you take offense to me describing this as saying they did "nothing wrong" because you technically think there were minor errors in behavior barely worth mentioning, knock yourself out.

It's interesting how charging someone as being racist is treated like this conversation ending Trump card.

That appears to be how it functions for you, because you can't handle even some of the most obvious displays of overt racism being described that way because you view it as a nuclear bomb accusation only reserved for the most heinous expressions of racial contempt. That ends up creating a situation where any pointing out of ordinary racist behavior gets straw-manned into calling people the equivalent of Nazis showing up in arm bands to preach white supremacy. It's like that's the only kind of racism you are capable of seeing. So not even the literal equivalent of a minstrel display for Native Americans can be called racist because that's just going too far. The people doing it aren't literally the Klan or Nazis, obviously, so not racist.

Because you won't explain what's wrong with a person having a Confederate flag flying from their truck, which you clearly view as quite bad, it seems like you genuinely don't get that people use Confederate flag symbolism for things other than supporting the KKK or whatever it is you imagine.

[Guest]

Seriously, EA. The video doesn't support your characterization of what the kids did. And it certainly doesn't warrant pretending like the initial media coverage and attacks on the kids are somehow justifiable.

But keep on insisting my argument isn't that the teachable moments for explaining to the kids who did the tomahawk chop why it is offensive is lost in the way it's been treated, but rather it should be considered nothin' much.

Again, perhaps you can share the part of the video that shows the most offensive behavior to aid your point the kid at the center of it should feel deep shame for his actions? Or is it still just about his expression that bothers you and his souvenir hat he bought in D.C.?

[_Jersey Girl]

Why is the only interpretation of the students behavior that you're willing to accept, that of passive aggressive stare down?

He could have stood in solidarity.
He could have stood in support.
He could have stood in prayer in appeal to his God in fear.

But what you see is a passive aggressive stare down.

I think that the hat, how you receive it as a symbol, and it's influence on you is what you are ignoring.

[_honorentheos]

Why is the only interpretation of the students behavior that you're willing to accept, that of passive aggressive stare down?

He could have stood in solidarity.
He could have stood in support.
He could have stood in prayer in appeal to his God in fear.

But what you see is a passive aggressive stare down.

I think that the hat, how you receive it as a symbol, and it's influence on you is what you are ignoring.

It's all about the viral video for EA. But he won't buy my point in the other thread that watching that video did more harm than good. God forbid he look at any other evidence that might make him reassess his original position because that requires a little humility.

[_Jersey Girl]

Once again, I think it was DoctorCamNC4Me who brought up a great point: Why are we so focused on these high school kids and a few of their racially insensitive gestures when just yards away was a group of Black Hebrew Israelites throwing out blatant, obvious, and advertent racist statements and insults?

Shouldn't the latter be the focus here?

Yes, of course. Except for the fact that the kids were wearing MAGA hats. That symbol on their heads Trump's everything else. No pun intended.

Therefore the BHI adults get a pass.