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Re: Climate Change

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canpakes wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:56 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:19 pm
You forgot Cult! Cult, cult, cult. Cult. Culty, cult cult.

Now, don’t be so hard on Atlanticmike. : D

Why? Did Atlanticmike say anything about cults?

Oh, wait ...
Atlanticmike wrote:
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[...] Look! You guys are in a fxxxing cult. You have been TAUGHT by your prophets to see every subject either correct because it's "liberal leaning, or incorrect because it's "conservative". You're brainwashed!! For fxxx sake, you might as well become an Orthodox Mormon again because you're still letting certain people tell you what to believe.
[...]
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
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Re: Climate Change

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Hey, that writing style looks familiar.

I don’t think that we can blame failure to meet vaccination goals on climate change, though. : D
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Chap wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:04 pm
canpakes wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:56 pm

Now, don’t be so hard on Atlanticmike. : D
Why? Did Atlanticmike say anything about cults?

Oh, wait ...
Atlanticmike wrote:
Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:19 am

[...] Look! You guys are in a fxxxing cult. You have been TAUGHT by your prophets to see every subject either correct because it's "liberal leaning, or incorrect because it's "conservative". You're brainwashed!! For fxxx sake, you might as well become an Orthodox Mormon again because you're still letting certain people tell you what to believe.
[...]
And here …

viewtopic.php?p=2741804#p2741804
Wake up!! You're in a progressive cult and it's called climate change.
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Interesting report now out by the Research Institute for Housing America, of the Mortgage Bankers Association (who might all just be progressive cult members of the Evil Progressive Church of Climate Change) -

The Impact of Climate Change on
Housing and Housing Finance


https://www.mba.org/Documents/Research/ ... ort_WB.pdf

Excerpt:
CLIMATE CHANGE WILL IMPACT HOUSING AND HOUSING FINANCE

Climate change will impact all governments, industries and individuals. Housing and housing finance will not be spared.

One way to understand the likely impacts is to review the types of disclosures that firms are recommended to make. The Task Force on Climate-Related Financial Disclosures (TCFD) recommended firms disclose two broad categories of climate risks: physical risks and transition risks. Physical risks comprise the familiar acute risks — floods, hurricanes, etc. — that are projected to grow worse as a result of cli- mate change and chronic risks such as secular increases in temperature or sea level that may threaten buildings and infrastructure. Transition risks include all the changes firms may be required to take to adapt to the world’s response to climate change.


THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON HOUSING AND HOUSING FINANCE

Coastal flooding provides perhaps the best example of how both physical and transitional risks are likely to impact housing. The National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP), the primary system of flood insurance in the United States, has numerous well-known challenges and deficiencies. Increases this century in insurance claims generated by climate change are likely to stretch the NFIP to the breaking point, facing homebuyers, lenders, GSEs and governments with a host of difficult questions. In addition, independent estimates of flood risk suggest that the NFIP currently excludes 2/3 of the at-risk properties, suggesting that the current government approach to disaster recovery may become too expensive to sustain in future.

Even if the weaknesses of the NFIP are repaired, insurance alone may not be enough to sustain the complex system of risk allocation that underlies the housing system. The magnitude and persistence of climate change, particularly in the latter part of the 21st century may overwhelm the ability of insurance to spread and manage risk.
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Cultellus wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:53 pm
I was at the vet yesterday with my dog. The power went out, again. Do you think people should trust the grid, the utility company and politicians when they deal with electricity shortages?

Imagine how a distributed grid and local power generation could help that. If the vet had some of those evil progressive solar panels and some on-site storage, there may have been no interruption of power.

It always seemed odd that some of the voices who rail against solar as some sort of conspiratorial green takeover are oftentimes the same voices who distrust the grid, or government in general. Solar energy would be one way for them to free themselves from that infrastructure and exert direct control over resources that they need. What’s not to like about that?
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As for electric cars, I will leave it for someone more knowledgeable than I to explain why they are still significantly greener than ICE powered cars, even if charged by electricity mostly coming fossil fuel plants that have not yet been replaced by greener sources of electricity.
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Cultellus wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:34 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:29 pm
As for electric cars, I will leave it for someone more knowledgeable than I to explain why they are still significantly greener than ICE powered cars, even if charged by electricity mostly coming from still existing fossil fuel plants.
This is a very complex argument.
I don't disagree with that, but it is still a useful subject for discussion.
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Gunnar wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 pm
Cultellus wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:34 pm


This is a very complex argument.
I don't disagree with that, but it is still a useful subject for discussion.

Gunnar, here’s a short and interactive article that hits on the basics of that comparison:

https://www.wsj.com/graphics/are-electr ... vironment/

Imagine, also, the difference between the two in energy consumption during idling, or braking, as straightforward examples.
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ceeboo wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:15 pm
Alf - Ceeboo is a male (No worries, just wanted you to know)

After a fairly quick read of the recent posts, I was a little surprised to see some of the intentional jabs directly at a certain political party comments in this thread titled "climate change." I will list a few of them.

"Blissfully ignorant following the wisdom of Ben Shapiro"
"Rush Limbaugh"
"2011 Fox News report"
"Prayer warriors"
"Vaccination"
"Patron Saints of the right"
"Stoically dying"
"Prayer warriors"
"Reading scripture"
"Jesus is returning soon"

Yeah, weird, I know!

Anyway, I am considering making another thread contribution concerning the the threads title (Climate change) that I would like to add (not sure if I will?) but for now, I really must get off the board to attend to some other things.
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Re: Climate Change

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canpakes wrote:
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:53 pm
Gunnar, here’s a short and interactive article that hits on the basics of that comparison:

https://www.wsj.com/graphics/are-electr ... vironment/
Thanks! I would love to read that article, but it has a pay wall, and I'm not yet sure I am ready to subscribe to the Wall Street Journal at this time. I have nothing against that magazine, of course, but I want to minimize the number of things that require paid subscriptions.
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