The Fentanyl Crisis is finally solved....

[Gadianton]

How are you going to find functioning fentanyl addicts? And, how are you going to manage these functioning drug addicts and make them quit, when the don't want to quit?

The way we find all of them, through infiltrating the dealer networks. In some cases they may be abusing doctor prescriptions; these are the easiest to find.

They have a case worker -- the counselors I mentioned. Did I not mention counselors? They will be advised the US gov has taken over all production and the production will stop in time. There will be no immediate pressure; they may get several weeks of freebies while they think about it. Other pressures according to how severe the noncooperation is -- they might end up in a 'B' tier camp. No jails unless it involves other crimes.

[Markk]

How are you going to find functioning fentanyl addicts? And, how are you going to manage these functioning drug addicts and make them quit, when the don't want to quit?

The way we find all of them, through infiltrating the dealer networks. In some cases they may be abusing doctor prescriptions; these are the easiest to find.

They have a case worker -- the counselors I mentioned. Did I not mention counselors? They will be advised the US gov has taken over all production and the production will stop in time. There will be no immediate pressure; they may get several weeks of freebies while they think about it. Other pressures according to how severe the noncooperation is -- they might end up in a 'B' tier camp. No jails unless it involves other crimes.

So now you are going to infiltrate the cartels, and follow the distribution, evaluate who is taking them, then assign counselors to them if they are functioning per your definition.

Then these counselors as you wrote are going to manage and make sure all these folks, across the country, who are detained to their homes and their places of work are "maintaining"....and doing what they are suppose to be doing according to your plan. How will you detain them, and make sure they are going to work? Will each one of these folks have a personal counselor following them around making sure they do not contact their past dealers or places they score?

If the end up in a B camp, and it is not a jail....will they be charged with a crime? And what is life like in this camp? Is it like a army camp with tents fences and guards, similar to the pic?



Fifth request:

What are you going to do about all those cartel members you recruited to sell and/or distribute your product? What will you do to keep them from selling cartel product again?

And I'll add as you infiltrate the dealer networks, what are you going to do with the dealers that are here illegally?

What is the time table for phase A....ball park?

[Gadianton]

So now you are going to infiltrate the cartels, and follow the distribution, evaluate who is taking them, then assign counselors to them if they are functioning per your definition.

Then these counselors as you wrote are going to manage and make sure all these folks, across the country, who are detained to their homes and their places of work are "maintaining"....and doing what they are suppose to be doing according to your plan.

Close enough.

How will you detain them, and make sure they are going to work?

Depends on the case. Nobody is forced to go to work; this isn't parole. More concerned about flying the coop or driving high or otherwise endangering others. clubbing high etc. Activities that reinforce the addiction. Now we're calming down and thinking about things seriously. It could be daily follow up by phone or an ankle bracelet in the most extreme. we're not terribly concerned if a little rule breaking goes on, at least initially.

Will each one of these folks have a personal counselor following them around making sure they do not contact their past dealers or places they score?

Their past dealers are history, by this point. We don't go into phase B until phase A is complete.

What are you going to do about all those cartel members you recruited to sell and/or distribute your product? What will you do to keep them from selling cartel product again?

They get reduced sentences and possibly avoid sentences altogether if they leave the country voluntarily (for illegals). There could be a variety of arrangements; case-to-case call.

[Markk]

Mark: "Will each one of these folks have a personal counselor following them around making sure they do not contact their past dealers or places they score?"

Gad: "Their past dealers are history, by this point. We don't go into phase B until phase A is complete."

But you are finding them by infiltrating the cartel networks? We are talking about countless folks here. This is again more support for having a false premise.

Gad: They get reduced sentences and possibly avoid sentences altogether if they leave the country voluntarily (for illegals). There could be a variety of arrangements; case-to-case call.

So you are going to infiltrate the cartel network, recruit members, then use them, and then arrest them, then give them a lesser sentence, or just tell them if they leave.

That is a lot to do there Gad. If they did not want to "voluntarily" leave, would you deport them, or just throw them in jail? I doubt if the would want to go back and face the cartel they betrayed? Keep in mind while infiltrating the cartel, you will find all kinds of illegals that are not street suppliers. You will find those house drugs, deliver, launder money, package, security, etc....what are you going to do with these criminals? And what about the other trafficking you would no doubt uncover in your phase operations?

How long, ball park, for phase A?



Gad, you did not comment of what a tier b camp would be like, keep in mind you would have to house hundreds of thousands of addicts across the country in your tiered detention centers and camps. Lets start with tier b....what would it be like?

[Gadianton]

But you are finding them by infiltrating the cartel networks? We are talking about countless folks here. This is again more support for having a ----.

Your misuse of logic terms is grating on my ears so just explain what you mean without the highfalutin terminology.

Yes we are talking about countless folks, that's why we find them through the network. Everyone has a dealer.

I believe I mentioned FEMA camps.

As part of FEMA's ongoing catastrophic planning efforts to expand national sheltering, feeding and evacuation capacity for up to 1.75 million disaster

Phase A: 2.5 years.

[Markk]

Gad: Your misuse of logic terms is grating on my ears so just explain what you mean without the highfalutin terminology.

I don't know how I can be any less highfalutin. Give all the holes and weak assumptions phase A would never be fully completed, thus per your own plan phase B would never begin. We have discussed this point several times as below....

Mark:
Also this again assumes you have wiped out all cartel product, and you have some sort of secret exclusive underground fentanyl club of over half a million chronically addicted addicts secretly using your super product.

Gad : Well yes, this is essentially phase A. This is the goal. If it's not achieved, there is no phase B.

You treat this whole thing like a Hollywood movie, with an unrealistic script. It is just impossible. Story lines like thousands of recruited cartel pushers secretly working for the government. Or your very scattered plan of how you would find and manage what you call highly functional users, such as "at parties;" as if you could possibly have your recruited cartel members, and agents find and attend all these so called parties. And assuming users even go to parties to use. Fentanyl is not a party drug, like ecstasy, it is a deep personal drug like heroin and other opioids. In other words a dark room is more likely, and certainly not a "party." You also have not explained with any real clear plan, how you would stop teens and new users from seek cartel drugs or your drug being sold on the black market you created. These are just a few of countless problems that would make your phase A possible. If you don't like me saying that Phase A is a "false premise" that allows phase B to start, let alone actually work, fine, I'll call it a "pipe dream."

Yes we are talking about countless folks, that's why we find them through the network. Everyone has a dealer.

It is no like these people have a personal dealer. They get drugs on the streets from multiple sources, at different times. By the time it gets to the streets most dealers are addicts that deal to support their habits. There are not a lot of drug free dealers on the streets selling individual hits to strung out people, it is a community of users and sellers if anything at the street level. The dealers in the open air drug markets live in things like tents, are users, and come and go.

I believe I mentioned FEMA camps.

FEMA camps can be used in many ways, how would yours be used? Will there be fences, guards? Will the folks be charged and held against their own will? Will these camps be a civil or human right violation or maybe a federal prison? Will the detainees be read their rights and be given a trial before detained?

Phase A: 2.5 years.

That is a lofty goal, how did you arrive at that estimation? Among, but not limited too, challenges as follows....

1. Put an executive team together
2. Put a comprehensive plan together
3. Issue executive orders
4. Secure the funding including congress if necessary
5. Secure a team with a command structure
6. Get your secret labs built
7. Refine and perfect your super drug
8. Infiltrate the cartel networks
9. Recruit cartel users to distribute your product
10. Recruit and train your team to find and infiltrate parties to find users
11. Reorganize and deal with pharma on current legal fentanyl and opioids
12. Issue instruction and orders to pharmacies with new policies
13. Establish your FEMA camp for this operation
14. Design your camps, to your addicts by tiers
15. Make sure your camps are logistically ready and in place.
a. assignment by conditions
b. round up
c. transportation
d. kitchens
e. medical
f. staff
1.security
2. medical, both physical and psych.
3. administration
4. general maintenance
5. rehab counselors
6. cooks
7. program directors
8. legal help
9. pastorals

This is just off the top of my head, but to my point you are going to have all this planed out, and completed, with phase B logistics in place in just 2.5 years? And keep in mind you plan to do this secretly.

How long to complete phase 2?

Again a very lofty goal.

[Markk]

Gad,

You ducked more of my questions on how you would deal with the cartel members you recruited. One more time.

So you are going to infiltrate the cartel network, recruit members, then use them, and then arrest them, then give them a lesser sentence, or just tell them if they leave.

That is a lot to do there Gad. If they did not want to "voluntarily" leave, would you deport them, or just throw them in jail? I doubt if they would want to go back and face the cartel they betrayed? Keep in mind while infiltrating the cartel, you will find all kinds of illegals that are not street suppliers. You will find those house the drugs, deliver, launder money, package, security, etc....what are you going to do with these criminals? And what about the other trafficking you would no doubt uncover in your phase operations?

I'll add that once the cartel finds out you flipped cartel members here in the states, the cartel would kill their families in Mexico, as a message for others not to flip....it happens all the time in Mexico. How would you deal with that? There is just no way that you would have much success in recruiting cartel members, the cartel leaders are animals Gad, your recruits could never go home and stay alive.

[Gadianton]

Fentanyl is not a party drug, like ecstasy, it is a deep personal drug like heroin and other opioid

It sounds like we agree. In general, we can give high functioning addicts some space and still keep tabs on them.

They get drugs on the streets from multiple sources,

You read too much into responses like "everybody has a dealer" as me saying that everybody literally has a single dealer, and my entire plan now rests on everyone having exactly one dealer, as if a single person having more than one dealer equals failure. The number of sources isn't an issue; we're going after all suppliers. By the way, one of the advantages of cartel dominance is that all dealers are connected.

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My 2.5 years is start time when boots first hit the ground. I've already said I'm a dictator for this example to get over the problems of funding and congress. If you want people to entertain your hypothetical questions, then don't forget that it was you who implicitly validated the merit of discussing hypothetical answers by asking a hypothetical question in the first place.

If you want a better example of how to use your own bad logic against me, why don't you tell me that phase A can't even begin due the false premise that I'm president of the United States with dictator-like powers?

[Markk]

Gad: It sounds like we agree. In general, we can give high functioning addicts some space and still keep tabs on them.

No we do not agree. The context here is that you said you would infiltrate high functional users at parties. Again it is not a "party drug" like ecstasy. You be more likely slumped over in a chair or corner of a dark room, that at a social party.

Gad:
You read too much into responses like "everybody has a dealer" as me saying that everybody literally has a single dealer, and my entire plan now rests on everyone having exactly one dealer, as if a single person having more than one dealer equals failure. The number of sources isn't an issue; we're going after all suppliers.

Then explain what you meant to my question, instead of a few general words. How are you going to find all these folks though the cartel networks?

Gad: By the way, one of the advantages of cartel dominance is that all dealers are connected.

So false, not even remotely true. There are different cartels, and they war. In fact because of Trump, and Canada and Mexico putting the clamps down....they are waring more in Mexico. If you think that dealers are all connected, that is a huge hole in you plan.

The farther down the dealer chain, the less they are connected.

My 2.5 years is start time when boots first hit the ground. I've already said I'm a dictator for this example to get over the problems of funding and congress. If you want people to entertain your hypothetical questions, then don't forget that it was you who implicitly validated the merit of discussing hypothetical answers by asking a hypothetical question in the first place.

You are moving the goal posts. You implied your were a dictator how I imagine Trump....we both now that was a snipe. My question was if you were president.

If you insist, You are president now, just like Trump what changes would you make to your plan as a dictator?

How long before boots hit the ground?

If you want a better example of how to use your own bad logic against me, why don't you tell me that phase A can't even begin due the false premise that I'm president of the United States with dictator-like powers?

Lol...you are just making excuses for a nonsensical plan, whether as a dictator or the President.

Bottom line is that you criticize Trump, which is fair to do, so if you were President what is your plan? Keep in mind the baseline for your plan was what China did; so, right or wrong, your plan has roots of an actual event and not a hypothetical theory.

Let me ask you this, before you bail out, which I see coming. Would your plan work if you were President, at least answer that question.

[Gadianton]

My question was if you were president.

But I'm not president, therefore your question insists on a false premise. I can't answer a question based on a false premise.