Defining Progressivism

[huckelberry]

I suppose that people who do not like Trump could be his working definition. Hound seems to have very little idea of why people do not like Trump.

That makes a sizable barrier to conversation and understanding. Progressives are the sort of people who do not join Republicans in their frantic cheering for Trump giving a vague award to a nice young man for vague reasons.

[canpakes]

I suppose that people who do not like Trump could be his working definition. Hound seems to have very little idea of why people do not like Trump.

That makes a sizable barrier to conversation and understanding. Progressives are the sort of people who do not join Republicans in their frantic cheering for Trump giving a vague award to a nice young man for vague reasons.

I’d guess that the audience is expected to clap for near every line of a SOTU speech, but they’ve always seemed performative and somewhat silly, regardless of which President is giving them. Trump does seem to be pushing the limits of bombastic BS, though, which is hardly surprising.

[Hound of Heaven]

Alright, let's proceed with defining Progressivism. What have we learned so far? Thus far, we have discovered that Progressivism functions as a militant religion, prioritizing animosity over affection. Secondly, it has come to our attention that when an individual embraces progressivism, they are equipped with a mental enemies list. This enables the progressive to perceive their actions, words, or even thoughts as entirely justified, as they believe they are contributing to the establishment of a progressive utopia on earth.

The third aspect that truly defines progressivism is as follows. One of the central principles of Progressivism is that VICTIMHOOD IS VIRTUOUS. In my opinion, the belief that victimhood is a virtue is likely the primary reason we Democrats lost the election.

To begin, let us present the facts. In today's America, it can be argued that no one is genuinely a victim of anything. Think about it, even those who are the most financially challenged possess a phone that doubles as a computer, granting us the ability to access information in mere seconds. We exist in an era of remarkable freedoms in the West, freedoms that those who came before us could only imagine.

Progressives seem to manipulate individuals into accepting their fervent ideology, perceiving oppression similarly to how the Mormon church convinces its followers that they are victims of Satan and his angels.

If you want to witness a progressive who views victimhood as virtuous, check out a YouTube video featuring a reporter interviewing a progressive college student at a school with a $80,000 annual tuition. The student will express feelings of oppression due to those who disagree with their militant progressive beliefs. It's quite a fascinating observation, as here we have individuals whose parents invest more in their education than many earn in a year, yet they have the audacity to participate in an interview discussing their feelings of oppression due to differing viewpoints.

Let us outline the three key insights we have gained regarding progressivism thus far.
1. MILITANT RELIGION
2.. MENTAL ENEMIES LIST
3. VICTIMHOOD IS VIRTUOUS



Number four coming soon.

[Kishkumen]

Alright, let's proceed with defining Progressivism. What have we learned so far? Thus far, we have discovered that Progressivism functions as a militant religion, prioritizing animosity over affection. Secondly, it has come to our attention that when an individual embraces progressivism, they are equipped with a mental enemies list. This enables the progressive to perceive their actions, words, or even thoughts as entirely justified, as they believe they are contributing to the establishment of a progressive utopia on earth.

The third aspect that truly defines progressivism is as follows. One of the central principles of Progressivism is that VICTIMHOOD IS VIRTUOUS. In my opinion, the belief that victimhood is a virtue is likely the primary reason we Democrats lost the election.

To begin, let us present the facts. In today's America, it can be argued that no one is genuinely a victim of anything. Think about it, even those who are the most financially challenged possess a phone that doubles as a computer, granting us the ability to access information in mere seconds. We exist in an era of remarkable freedoms in the West, freedoms that those who came before us could only imagine.

Progressives seem to manipulate individuals into accepting their fervent ideology, perceiving oppression similarly to how the Mormon church convinces its followers that they are victims of Satan and his angels.

If you want to witness a progressive who views victimhood as virtuous, check out a YouTube video featuring a reporter interviewing a progressive college student at a school with a $80,000 annual tuition. The student will express feelings of oppression due to those who disagree with their militant progressive beliefs. It's quite a fascinating observation, as here we have individuals whose parents invest more in their education than many earn in a year, yet they have the audacity to participate in an interview discussing their feelings of oppression due to differing viewpoints.

Let us outline the three key insights we have gained regarding progressivism thus far.
1. MILITANT RELIGION
2.. MENTAL ENEMIES LIST
3. VICTIMHOOD IS VIRTUOUS



Number four coming soon.

There is some worthwhile stuff buried in here, HoH. Without realizing it, you have figured out that Progressivism, as Marxism before it, is a form of secular Christianity. An ideology is a kind of religious viewpoint, yes. Some religions, however, are better responses to reality than others. Marxism fails in its insistence on a teleology in which the world becomes a worker's paradise and there are no inequities. All of that was imagined to happen naturally and inevitably, like Jesus coming again in the mind of Christians. Progressives do better because they believe in the value of science and technology to fix the world's problems. In that way, they are tons better than Marxists of old, and also much more concerned about practical daily problems.

For the most part, at least. I will grant you that in some cases their belief in science and progress goes too far. They get out over their skis, as it were. We can take the issue of gender as one place where this has arguably happened. Now, personally I believe in respecting everyone and treating them as they want to be treated, at least within reasonable bounds. If someone wants pronouns, I say let them have their pronouns. It is no skin off my nose to treat everyone as they want to be treated. Other areas, where the science is still less clear, should not be treated with such zealous certainty as many progressives do. At some point, progressives decided that trans issues were the civil rights cause of the new generation, and they have pursued their vision with boundless zeal.

I am not a progressive because I don't share that zeal and certainty. Moreover, I believe that the politically possible needs to account for the opinions of all of those who are less certain and zealous. You can't win in a democratic system by being very extreme, very certain, and uncompromising. If you want the votes, you have to realize that you will need all those people who have somewhat different opinions than you on contentious issues. Let's work to improve the world by shooting for those areas of improvement most of us can agree on first. In the meantime, we can work to persuade each other in areas where we feel morally motivated but are definitely not in the majority.

With that preliminary material out of the way, I wholeheartedly agree with your criticism of victimhood as something that is, in itself, virtuous. I don't agree that this is the reason that the Democrats lost the election. Your problem is that you want a simple answer to a complex issue, just like some progressives do. There were many factors that led to the Democrats loss in the last presidential election. You just picked the one that is stuck in your craw. And, I agree with you that it is annoying as all get out. Anyone can feel like a victim of some circumstance, and then claim they are a martyr. People with practical sense know that playing the victim is not a winning strategy. Finding answers to the problems that make people feel or be disadvantaged in some way is a much better approach. It is strange that progressives believe in progress, but then the more extreme among them latch onto a victim mentality to lay claim to hero status. Be a real progressive and solve the problem, I say. It may take time, more time than you wish it did, but that is the way forward, not trumpeting victimhood.

All that said, I think you have really been suckered by stupid right-wing narratives. Your post is little better than Reagan's welfare queen stories. You fixate on what appears on the surface to be a real insult to a practical person's view of the world and then use it as a blunt weapon to knock things down indiscriminately. I think you are right about some real problems in Progressivism. You are also reductive and oversimplifying, rendering everything through an obviously biased ideological lens and employing right-wing propaganda tropes that are frankly tired and only convincing to stupid people.

[Hound of Heaven]

In order to enhance comprehension of the three points I've outlined that characterize progressivism, I will share a few images that illustrate how progressivism, similar to Mormonism, functions as a belief system that flourishes on the existence of a clearly defined enemy.

This clear delineation of an enemy leads adherents of both Mormonism and progressivism to perceive themselves as victims. To begin, take a look at Kishkumens' post here that I extracted from another thread. It is evident that he has been influenced by progressive ideology to such an extent that he perceives anyone who disagrees with his extreme perspective as an enemy.

Next, I request that you examine the image I retrieved from the LDS website, which outlines the definition of the enemy.

Finally, I would encourage you to reflect deeply on your feelings during your time as a Mormon and your perceptions of those who were not part of that faith. I can share my feelings with you! During my time as a Mormon, we perceived those outside our faith as individuals who could be converted and were in search of the truth. Only those within Mormonism possessed the truth after embracing the restored gospel. Those who did not belong to the Mormon faith were destined to be relegated to a lesser kingdom, facing eternal damnation. I was also taught that since only a tiny fraction of us on earth truly hold the truth, everyone here, including Satan and his angels, will attempt to persuade me that my religion is false, leading me to see myself as a victim. Sound familiar?

Ininvite you to read Kishkumen's thread titled "What or Who is an Enemy" and reflect on why Kishkumen, Moksha, and Canpakes perceive those who do not share their militant beliefs as adversaries, similar to their mindset during their time as Mormons. Is it possible that they departed from Mormonism and ultimately persuaded themselves to embrace another ideology, the ideology of progressivism.

The main point to remember from this post is as follows. When a collective establishes an ideology intended to ease your life by adhering to their guidelines, and one of those guidelines is the belief in the existence of enemies, that collective has become a cult. It is essential to distance yourself from them as quickly as possible.


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[Moksha]

Elements of Regressivism

1. Toadie supporters utilizing A.I.
2. Pushing right-wing talking points
3. Trump as a stupid dictator

[Kishkumen]

Ininvite you to read Kishkumen's thread titled "What or Who is an Enemy" and reflect on why Kishkumen, Moksha, and Canpakes perceive those who do not share their militant beliefs as adversaries, similar to their mindset during their time as Mormons. Is it possible that they departed from Mormonism and ultimately persuaded themselves to embrace another ideology, the ideology of progressivism.

The main point to remember from this post is as follows. When a collective establishes an ideology intended to ease your life by adhering to their guidelines, and one of those guidelines is the belief in the existence of enemies, that collective has become a cult. It is essential to distance yourself from them as quickly as possible.

So, in short, you view the Founding Fathers as cultists because they insisted on instituting a Constitution to establish and guarantee our inalienable rights bestowed by our Creator. The fact that these Founding Fathers viewed King George III to be their enemy and the royalists who supported the crown to be their enemies, means they were cultists. Do you realize how stupid this is?

[Gadianton]

So, in short, you view the Founding Fathers as cultists because they insisted on instituting a Constitution to establish and guarantee our inalienable rights bestowed by our Creator. The fact that these Founding Fathers viewed King George III to be their enemy and the royalists who supported the crown to be their enemies, means they were cultists. Do you realize how stupid this is?

I'd say this deserves an answer.

[Some Schmo]

So, in short, you view the Founding Fathers as cultists because they insisted on instituting a Constitution to establish and guarantee our inalienable rights bestowed by our Creator. The fact that these Founding Fathers viewed King George III to be their enemy and the royalists who supported the crown to be their enemies, means they were cultists. Do you realize how stupid this is?

I'd say this deserves an answer.

OK. No, HoH doesn't realize how stupid it is. That's why he keeps repeating his nonsense.

I mean, think about this - he's so stupid, he thinks he's making sense. How's that for braindead?

[Kishkumen]

OK. No, HoH doesn't realize how stupid it is. That's why he keeps repeating his nonsense.

I mean, think about this - he's so stupid, he thinks he's making sense. How's that for braindead?

It is this singleminded simplemindedness that makes me think this is a chatbot or at least A.I.-assisted writing. HoH ignores what I have said and just goes sideways with the same nonsense ad nauseam.