Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:00 am
Kukulkan wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:57 am
But you can clearly see that he forcefully hits Rittenhouse in the head/shoulder area with his skateboard intentionally.
That is controversial.
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I don't think anyone is arguing he is winding up full swing and hitting Rittenhouse.
And that proves my point that Huber did not try to seriously hurt or kill Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse had no need to kill him.
It's okay if you come to a fundamental difference of opinion. You are entitled to such. I don't think you will be convinced otherwise. You seem to be pretty set in what you think, as am I. Agree to disagree?
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Kukulkan wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:04 am
It's okay if you come to a fundamental difference of opinion. You are entitled to such. I don't think you will be convinced otherwise. You seem to be pretty set in what you think, as am I. Agree to disagree?
I can change my opinion if you show me another video with a different angle. But for now we can agree to disagree.
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doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:54 am
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Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:51 am
Can’t be too careful.
What is your opinion. I can't be the only one who doesn't see Huber aggressively hitting Rittenhouse with the skateboard.
Huber clearly hits Rittenhouse, but I don’t agree with any claim that he’s trying to kill Rittenhouse with the skateboard. Were that the case then he wouldn’t be trying to vault over him and grab his AR.
And that proves my point that Huber did not try to seriously hurt or kill Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse had no need to kill him.
Has it been conclusively established that Rittenhouse was in full control of the AR at the time of the shot? Or is there a possibility that Huber, having grabbed at the weapon and moved it against the constraint of the sling, caused Rittenhouse’s finger to depress the trigger?
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Binger wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:08 am
See, your spiritual eyes are working. I did not say that but you think I did.
So do you agree Huber wasn't trying to send Rittenhouse to the hospital?
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Binger wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:13 am
canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:09 am
Huber clearly hits Rittenhouse, but I don’t agree with any claim that he’s trying to kill Rittenhouse with the skateboard. Were that the case then he wouldn’t be trying to vault over him and grab his AR.
Attempted murder was not charged and cannot be proven. And, it does not matter because that is not the hurdle for self defense. All he had to do was “F” around, which he did, and Mr. Rittenhouse helped him find out, and he found out. The potential for harm is the hurdle, and the jury was satisfied by the evidence.

Also, while the verdicts were read independently and the charges were unique based on the victim associated with the charges, they were part of a single scene that happened in a couple seconds.

I don’t see mention of ‘the hurdle for self defense’ in my post (although that word choice is amusingly appropriate given that Huber was hurdling Rittenhouse), and you’ve apparently missed the several posts much earlier on in which I’d stated that Rittenhouse was reasonable in concluding that his life was in danger.

At least you broke character for a post. There’s progress.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:09 am
doubtingthomas wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:54 am
What is your opinion. I can't be the only one who doesn't see Huber aggressively hitting Rittenhouse with the skateboard.
Huber clearly hits Rittenhouse, but I don’t agree with any claim that he’s trying to kill Rittenhouse with the skateboard. Were that the case then he wouldn’t be trying to vault over him and grab his AR.
And that proves my point that Huber did not try to seriously hurt or kill Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse had no need to kill him.
Has it been conclusively established that Rittenhouse was in full control of the AR at the time of the shot? Or is there a possibility that Huber, having grabbed at the weapon and moved it against the constraint of the sling, caused Rittenhouse’s finger to depress the trigger?
That’s how I saw it. It was kind of a bang-bang sequence. KR was on the ground, jump kick guy (JKG) connected a kick to KR’s head

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I believe KR fired a round right after, JKG literally dodged a bullet. You can see Huber had already begun his approach. I think Huber really didn’t think it through beyond ‘hit that guy with my skateboard and take his gun’. However from different camera angles you can see Huber grab the gun and attempt to pull it away. It’s in that moment as he jerks the gun toward himself that a round is fired and he lets go. I can’t tell if it was an accidental discharge or on purpose, but it looks to me that KR probably had a ‘not-great’ grip on his weapon and most likely squeezed the trigger inadvertently in the struggle.

As an aside, apparently JKG has a lengthy criminal record and was out in bail that very day for some pending legal crap. Democrats or Liberals (not socialists or anarchists) really need to get off this thing they have with going to bat for pieces of crap. Sun Tzu said Napoleon said* something to the effect that when your enemy is making a mistake, let them. We’re going to lose the middle to the GOP the more we side with pieces of crap doing piece of crap things. For example, after today’s attack in Waukesha this is a familiar sentiment being posted on Twitter:

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The bottom line is KR ‘got away’ with defending himself from four pieces of crap. Democrats and Liberals need to get off this far Left thing if they want to be taken seriously moving forward. The more we play reindeer games with basic stuff like the right to self-defense the more rational people will move away from us.

* Jesus Christ Wtf

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