Vaccines and Therapeutics 2.0 & 3.0 Merge

[Moksha]

Utah vax story in Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/utah-sees-vax- ... rt-1628088

[Jersey Girl]

I don't even know where to put this story. It makes me want to hit something.

A California couple died of Covid-19 weeks apart, orphaning 5 young children including a newborn
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/us/calif ... index.html

Davy Macias, a Southern California labor and delivery nurse, was seven months pregnant with her fifth child in early August when she was hospitalized with Covid-19. Daniel Macias also contracted the virus.

Doctors helped Davy Macias, 37, deliver the newborn early by Cesarean section while she was intubated, but she died before she could meet her baby.

It wasn't that they didn't want to be vaccinated -- they planned on it," she said. She was adamant that this was a personal choice and each wanted to learn more about its safety prior to being inoculated.

My. God. I can't even wrap my head around this. Four children and one on the way, when were they planning to learn about the safety of vaccines? I can't...L&D nurse. L&D nurse...

A former kindergarten teacher who recently retired, Terry Macias believes her son and daughter-in-law contracted the coronavirus after a recent family trip to an indoor water park as a last hurrah before returning to school.

Last hurrah. Indeed. Why? Why? Why?

This has got to be some kind of morbid joke.

[Jersey Girl]

Question for the teeming masses. Can the Administration mandate vaccines for all Medicaid beneficiaries?

[Gunnar]

I don't even know where to put this story. It makes me want to hit something.

A California couple died of Covid-19 weeks apart, orphaning 5 young children including a newborn
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/13/us/calif ... index.html

Davy Macias, a Southern California labor and delivery nurse, was seven months pregnant with her fifth child in early August when she was hospitalized with Covid-19. Daniel Macias also contracted the virus.

Doctors helped Davy Macias, 37, deliver the newborn early by Cesarean section while she was intubated, but she died before she could meet her baby.

It wasn't that they didn't want to be vaccinated -- they planned on it," she said. She was adamant that this was a personal choice and each wanted to learn more about its safety prior to being inoculated.

My. God. I can't even wrap my head around this. Four children and one on the way, when were they planning to learn about the safety of vaccines? I can't...L&D nurse. L&D nurse...

A former kindergarten teacher who recently retired, Terry Macias believes her son and daughter-in-law contracted the coronavirus after a recent family trip to an indoor water park as a last hurrah before returning to school.

Last hurrah. Indeed. Why? Why? Why?

This has got to be some kind of morbid joke.

I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt that red states opposition to vaccine mandates and even resistance to vaccination in general are a huge factor in prolonging the pandemic, given the fact that the highest case rates and hospitalization rate are almost all red states. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that leading Republican politicians don't really want to see rapid progress in ending the pandemic, if there is any chance that the Biden and his administration will get any credit for it, especially if deserved. I really think they don't care how many preventable additional deaths occur, if they can contrive to somehow blame Democrats and progressives for failure to quickly end the pandemic.

[Chap]

I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt that red states opposition to vaccine mandates and even resistance to vaccination in general are a huge factor in prolonging the pandemic, given the fact that the highest case rates and hospitalization rate are almost all red states. I

It appears that the political divide between the states is indeed a quite good guide to the divide between states with higher rates of vaccination and those with lower rates - who tend to have higher infection rates and consequentially higher death rates. Since resistance to vaccination and mask wearing is often supported at high political level in red states, is this surprising?



Source from the Washington Post

The inescapable overlap of pandemic and politics

[Gunnar]

Yes! As pointed out by several creditable sources, including the Washington Post, the conclusion that Trumpist, conservative attitudes toward vaccination, masking and other mitigating actions is damaging efforts to curb this pandemic is simply inescapable. But backfire effect still prevents many from seeing or acknowledging that, in the same way there are diehard flat earthers who still refuse to accept the evidence that the earth is spheroidal in shape.

[Jersey Girl]

I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt that red states opposition to vaccine mandates and even resistance to vaccination in general are a huge factor in prolonging the pandemic, given the fact that the highest case rates and hospitalization rate are almost all red states. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that leading Republican politicians don't really want to see rapid progress in ending the pandemic, if there is any chance that the Biden and his administration will get any credit for it, especially if deserved. I really think they don't care how many preventable additional deaths occur, if they can contrive to somehow blame Democrats and progressives for failure to quickly end the pandemic.

Well, listen, let's take a hard cold look at that effort to sustain the pandemic so long as it is a useful political tool to them. That doesn't make logical sense since they're killing off their voters and their votes. They are shrinking their own party.

[Chap]

Well, listen, let's take a hard cold look at that effort to sustain the pandemic so long as it is a useful political tool to them.

It's not a surprise that they should do that, is it?

That doesn't make logical sense since they're killing off their voters and their votes. They are shrinking their own party.

These are not people who got where they are today by carefully analysing the logical implications of their actions and balancing costs and benefits.

[Gunnar]

I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt that red states opposition to vaccine mandates and even resistance to vaccination in general are a huge factor in prolonging the pandemic, given the fact that the highest case rates and hospitalization rate are almost all red states. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that leading Republican politicians don't really want to see rapid progress in ending the pandemic, if there is any chance that the Biden and his administration will get any credit for it, especially if deserved. I really think they don't care how many preventable additional deaths occur, if they can contrive to somehow blame Democrats and progressives for failure to quickly end the pandemic.

Well, listen, let's take a hard cold look at that effort to sustain the pandemic so long as it is a useful political tool to them. That doesn't make logical sense since they're killing off their voters and their votes. They are shrinking their own party.

You're right, of course. Very little of what Trumpist Republicans are trying to pull makes any logical sense. They are indeed shrinking their own party slowly but surely by their irrational tactics and rhetoric. They are too scared of Trump and his MAGA cult and their wealthy corporate donors to admit the plain truth of what is happening. They can't bear the thought of anything good happening during Biden's administration that can possibly be credited to him and his party.

Besides that, some of the biggest donors to DeSantis and Abbot et al are corporate entities that have invested heavily in companies pushing therapies like monoclonal antibodies for treating people infected by covid-19. Though this type of therapy probably does increase the chance of survival for people who have already been infected, this type of therapy costs thousands of dollars per dose, vs. 35 to 45 dollars per vaccine injection which has been shown to prevent most infections from happening to begin with. Obviously failure to prevent the disease, resulting in enormous numbers of victims needing such treatment is potentially enormously more lucrative than preventing as many as possible from getting it via vaccination.

[Gunnar]

Yes! As pointed out by several creditable sources, including the Washington Post, the conclusion that Trumpist,

Hysterical. So so so damn funny.

Not nearly as funny as relying on Fox News and their most popular commentators like Tucker Carlson, who by their own admission should not be taken seriously by any reasonable person, and who actually won a defamation case against them by using that as their main argument!