Kamala blasts Pence for refusing to meet women alone

[_Jersey Girl]

Anyone come up with a direct quote from Pence himself yet?

I can't find anything. That's interesting. I can track back to the Washington Post reporting it but no direct quote, no document like a letter from Pence, nada. There seems to be acceptance of the notion on both left and right, however, and references back to the "Billy Graham Rule" of similar behavior. While it might be virtue signaling, it might also be a defensive response to the many evangelical scandals of recent decades. Only Pence knows for sure. People will frame and interpret as they will, it's conservative Christian culture. It isn't the Republic of Gilead. There are analogues in all major populations in the world.

Not a problem. We're happy as clams to dissect a rumor as if it were fact.

[_EAllusion]

It shouldn't be good enough for you either, buddy. I already googled my butt off looking for a direct quote. If you want to spend pages debating a policy for which you have no direct primary source evidence that's on you. It's easier to make it up as you go along. amirite?

Are you suggesting the Washington Post quote of the Hill article is fictitious despite Mike Pence's team acknowledging it, using the "out of context" bromide, and attempting to spin it? Republican PR is definitely known for not challenging false statements about things they've said that they've received a torrent of criticism for.

It's not "making it up" to believe Washington Post's reporting is likely reliable in reporting what Pence said in a previous interview given their journalistic track record and the nature of the response. To reduce that into "rumor" is misleading. And it's fairly beside your contribution to a thread where you arguing in favor of an expanded Pence rule that covers a lot more than meals.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

We're literally witnessing pathology in real time, folks.

Crazy.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

In his capacity as speaker, Brown appointed Harris to two political positions. That makes him her superior ya goofball.

If a person you are dating uses their connections to get you a job at their workplace, that's not "damned your boss" for perks. It's nepotism, but in order to “F” your boss for something, they first have to be your boss. Never mind you distorting the supervisory relationship between the Speaker and a commission appointee, this version doesn't match what you are claiming occurred, nor is relevant to Mike Pence's views.

In the false version you were trying to peddle, the idea was that Kamala Harris criticizes Mike Pence for having a policy that prevents inappropriate sexual relationships developing at work, which is rich coming from someone who ended up sleeping with her boss to get ahead.

It's not a coincidence that the false idea that Kamala Harris was sleeping with her married boss is all over right wing sources that are literal fake news and you are repeating it here. Rather than own up to either repeating a false story you didn't check out or joining in the lying for fun, you try twist it so something resembling the actual facts is what you're saying. Only, that doesn't make any sense, your description is still misleading, and it still is a sad attempt at tu quoque fallacy.

Basically, like every other time a culture war issue comes up, you just lie your ass off about the facts and what your interlocutors have said and think, because that's the best you can do. There's a real good chance you tell yourself you're trolling, so it's Ok, but the line between pretending to be a jackass and being one is not as bright as you likely think.

Man, for a supposed Libertarian you sure do fall all over yourself to defend Liberal policies, politicians, and Leftist hypocrisy. Weird.

If you are a libertarian, how come you aren't cool with me lying about Kamala Harris? Why do you express liberal social views? Riddle me that, poindexter.

[_MeDotOrg]

If Ms. Harris ever meets Mr. Pence in private, I hope she dresses in black leather with red accents and carries a riding crop. I'm not sure he'd disagree with anything she said.

[_Res Ipsa]

Not a problem. We're happy as clams to dissect a rumor as if it were fact.

What steps have you taken to find out whether, in fact, Pence made the statement to The Hill in 2002?

Given the constant proclamations of "fake news" from the current White House, I think it's reasonable to conclude from the absence of a denial by Pence, Pence's representatives and surrogates, and The Hill, that the Post's reporting was accurate.

[_Jersey Girl]

It shouldn't be good enough for you either, buddy. I already googled my butt off looking for a direct quote. If you want to spend pages debating a policy for which you have no direct primary source evidence that's on you. It's easier to make it up as you go along. amirite?

Are you suggesting the Washington Post quote of the Hill article is fictitious despite Mike Pence's team acknowledging it, using the "out of context" bromide, and attempting to spin it? Republican PR is definitely known for not challenging false statements about things they've said that they've received a torrent of criticism for.

It's not "making it up" to believe Washington Post's reporting is likely reliable in reporting what Pence said in a previous interview given their journalistic track record and the nature of the response. To reduce that into "rumor" is misleading. And it's fairly beside your contribution to a thread where you arguing in favor of an expanded Pence rule that covers a lot more than meals.

I'm not suggesting anything regarding the Washington Post's quote of the Hill article other than that those represent secondary sources.

You do not have a quote from a primary source (Pence himself). That's not a suggestion. That's fact.

[_Jersey Girl]

Not a problem. We're happy as clams to dissect a rumor as if it were fact.

What steps have you taken to find out whether, in fact, Pence made the statement to The Hill in 2002?

Given the constant proclamations of "fake news" from the current White House, I think it's reasonable to conclude from the absence of a denial by Pence, Pence's representatives and surrogates, and The Hill, that the Post's reporting was accurate.

What steps? I'll quote myself earlier in the thread.

It shouldn't be good enough for you either, buddy. I already googled my butt off looking for a direct quote.

Those steps. There's apparently no direct quote made by Pence to be found. Anywhere.

[_Res Ipsa]

Sure it’s a fact. So what? A quote from a primary source is neither necessary nor sufficient to reach a reasonable conclusion that a fact is true. And the absence of such a quote does not qualify an assertion as a “rumor.”

[_Maksutov]

I can't find the original interview with the Hill. Anyone have a link? There were internets in 2002, I believe.