Biden needs to step aside

[yellowstone123]

Trump should have said, by the end of a Biden second term you will be paying four times what you paid for a cheeseburger when he first became president. Your grocery bill which was 100 when he started is now 500. If you are okay with that then vote for him.

So, you endorse Trump’s lying?

All Presidents in the last 3 decades have likely lied. So do those in the in the House and Senate. If you think only Republicans lie and Democrats don't then there is no hope. It's just what lies do you care about. I certainly don't want to buy a 16 dollar cheese burger and at the rate things are going that might happen.

[yellowstone123]

As to Biden, it looks like the media thought they couldn't keep these age related issues hidden anymore and needed to report them.

I'm curious. What's your evidence that the media were attempting to keep these age-related issues under wrap?

Biden being unable to function at night. Biden not being able to be tried in Court because he won't understand what is going on. The fact that that information was buried by staff.

[honorentheos]

So the fact checking is rolling out in more depth now. And here's one I'm curious to hear on from our Trump or populist supporting friends as to where they come down:

Trump, on Biden: “He wants to raise your taxes by four times.”

THE FACTS: That’s not accurate.

Trump has used that line at rallies, but it has no basis in fact. Biden actually wants to prevent tax increases on anyone making less than $400,000, which is the vast majority of taxpayers.

More importantly, Biden’s budget proposal does not increase taxes as much as Trump claims, though the increases are focused on corporations and the wealthy. Trump’s 2017 tax cuts for individuals are set to expire after 2025, because they were not fully funded when they became law.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-m ... e3a0ced2bb

Trump should have said, by the end of a Biden second term you will be paying four times what you paid for a cheeseburger when he first became president. Your grocery bill which was 100 when he started is now 500. If you are okay with that then vote for him.

I'm sure Trump would have loved to be able to say that. Trouble being he knows and even mentioned the economists who say his policies would be most likely to lead to steeper inflation rather than taming it. For example: https://www.businessinsider.com/Trump-p ... ter-2024-6

"I think general consensus, not just my view, but almost anybody modeling what is going on would say the Trump administration would be more inflationary," Stiglitz told BI. "How much more depends on how radical they are. And that depends on where Congress is. If they have a Democratic Congress, they won't have the ability to do what they would do with a Republican Congress."

Stiglitz recently spearheaded a letter signed by over a dozen Nobel Prize-winning economists. The letter, which was first obtained by Axios, stated the economists were "deeply concerned about the risks of a second Trump administration for the U.S. economy."

The economists predicted dire results from a Trump victory this fall. "The outcome of this election will have economic repercussions for years, and possibly decades, to come," the letter stated. "We believe that a second Trump term would have a negative impact on the U.S.'s economic standing in the world and a destabilizing effect on the U.S.'s domestic economy."

Now, you also may want to think hard about why it is inflation took off after Trump. Economics is complicated, and the relatively flat inflation rate we experienced through the 2000-2010s was a puzzle because the conventional wisdom was it should have been rising as we climbed out of the effects of the Great Recession, yet it didn't. The flip side of it was wages were also largely stagnant during the same period. The mechanisms we use to control inflation include the Federal Interest Rate, and your boy Trump put pressure on Jerome Powell to keep the rates as close to zero as possible because it was good for access to credit which kept the economy running hot - but artificially and unsustainably so.

Trump's attempts to keep the economy burning its seed stock to inflate people's perceptions of how good things were isn't the only cause for the extreme inflation we experienced and are still dealing with. But it was not only a preventable one, it was one entirely caused by his narcissism displacing good judgment.

So, while you are bitching about inflation keep in mind that it is also accompanied by the rapid rise in wages that had been depressed as well.
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/econom ... rcna158569

As noted in the link above, while the Consumer Price Index has increased 21% between 2019 and 2024, hourly wages have increased 23% and inflation-adjusted wages have increased 1.5%.

That isn't to dismiss the pain inflation causes, especially to those on a fixed income. But seriously, don't blame it on Biden or believe that Trump is the fix.

[Morley]

I'm curious. What's your evidence that the media were attempting to keep these age-related issues under wrap?

Biden being unable to function at night. Biden not being able to be tried in Court because he won't understand what is going on. The fact that that information was buried by staff.

Biden's staff is not the media. I'm still unclear as to how the media concealed this.

[honorentheos]

So, you endorse Trump’s lying?

All Presidents in the last 3 decades have likely lied. So do those in the in the House and Senate. If you think only Republicans lie and Democrats don't then there is no hope. It's just what lies do you care about. I certainly don't want to buy a 16 dollar cheese burger and at the rate things are going that might happen.

What Trump is doing isn't like other politicians who stretch the truth. He's just out and out saying things that are so banana pants it's almost entirely devoid of a connection to reality.

That said, ask yourself why it's intended effect worked on you? That being, it has made you normalize the idea there is no such thing as an evidentiary baseline of facts that need considered and referenced to make political arguments. You've now bought into the idea so fully you don't care if anyone actually has facts on their side nor do you expect the people you vote for to adhere to the facts.

You are, as folks like Trump say, a sucker.

[Kishkumen]

What Trump is doing isn't like other politicians who stretch the truth. He's just out and out saying things that are so banana pants it's almost entirely devoid of a connection to reality.

That said, ask yourself why it's intended effect worked on you? That being, it has made you normalize the idea there is no such thing as an evidentiary baseline of facts that need considered and referenced to make political arguments. You've now bought into the idea so fully you don't care if anyone actually has facts on their side nor do you expect the people you vote for to adhere to the facts.

You are, as folks like Trump say, a sucker.

Forcefully and well put.

[Gadianton]

I certainly don't want to buy a 16 dollar cheese burger and at the rate things are going that might happen.

What specifically do you think Trump will do if president that will stop the inexorable cheeseburger ascent to 16$? Is there anything Trump did in his first term that specifically countered inflation? What has Trump said he will do about inflation?

I think it's interesting that on the one hand, you're justifying the outrageous lying as a means to an end, in order to escape inflation, but on the other, have no good reason to believe that we will escape inflation. Serious question: If Trump becomes president and inflation continues, do you think Trump will admit that inflation is a problem?

[Kishkumen]

What specifically do you think Trump will do if president that will stop the inexorable cheeseburger ascent to 16$? Is there anything Trump did in his first term that specifically countered inflation? What has Trump said he will do about inflation?

I think it's interesting that on the one hand, you're justifying the outrageous lying as a means to an end, in order to escape inflation, but on the other, have no good reason to believe that we will escape inflation. Serious question: If Trump becomes president and inflation continues, do you think Trump will admit that inflation is a problem?

My most generous interpretation of Trump is that he is, first and foremost, a salesman for his own brand. For him policy details are unimportant. He has some crude ideas about what should be done, but he has no patience for getting into the weeds to figure out the details of what actually works. He will try to convince you that you were right to choose him whether it helped or hurt you. He sells himself. Nothing more, nothing less.

“You’re gonna love . . . You’ll get tired of winning . . . We have all the best words. . .”

If you follow him for any length of time, salesmanship is the overriding methodology. Serious delving into the detail of what works is not in the menu. Also, if things go wrong, he is not concerned about the problem so much as he is concerned about how it will impact his brand reputation.

This is not how to run a global superpower.

[yellowstone123]

All Presidents in the last 3 decades have likely lied. So do those in the in the House and Senate. If you think only Republicans lie and Democrats don't then there is no hope. It's just what lies do you care about. I certainly don't want to buy a 16 dollar cheese burger and at the rate things are going that might happen.

What Trump is doing isn't like other politicians who stretch the truth. He's just out and out saying things that are so banana pants it's almost entirely devoid of a connection to reality.

That said, ask yourself why it's intended effect worked on you? That being, it has made you normalize the idea there is no such thing as an evidentiary baseline of facts that need considered and referenced to make political arguments. You've now bought into the idea so fully you don't care if anyone actually has facts on their side nor do you expect the people you vote for to adhere to the facts.

You are, as folks like Trump say, a sucker.

Actually, I’m not a person that favors Trump. Where did you get that thought? I have interacted in person with those who think like him and who he has pardoned and I have consistently posted that Trump is not a good person or those who he allows in his inner circle like Bannon, Stone, Bolton, Manafort, etc. So this board appears to be an either or board so if you criticize Biden then you endorse Trump. Why the black and white type thinking? I have posted that I wanted DeSantis and Haley to run and one can be VP for four years and then switch. I agree with a Twitter/X post today to say the only way for Republicans to win is for Trump to drop out, and I thought that was cool because then DeSantis can run against Biden.

The force of the far right and far left appears to be strong these days, even on this board. I’m sure you understand the President may be need to be awaken at 3:00 A.M tomorrow morning if suddenly we are under attack. That’s the most pressing now. And finally, I did not watch the so-called debate because the likelihood of what happened was high and I didn’t want to watch it; I don’t like to watch someone humiliate himself.

[honorentheos]

What Trump is doing isn't like other politicians who stretch the truth. He's just out and out saying things that are so banana pants it's almost entirely devoid of a connection to reality.

That said, ask yourself why it's intended effect worked on you? That being, it has made you normalize the idea there is no such thing as an evidentiary baseline of facts that need considered and referenced to make political arguments. You've now bought into the idea so fully you don't care if anyone actually has facts on their side nor do you expect the people you vote for to adhere to the facts.

You are, as folks like Trump say, a sucker.

Actually, I’m not a person that favors Trump. Where did you get that thought? I have interacted in person with those who think like him and who he has pardoned and I have consistently posted that Trump is not a good person or those who he allows in his inner circle like Bannon, Stone, Bolton, Manafort etc. So this board appears to be an either or board so if you criticize Biden then you endorse Trump. Why the black and white type thinking. I have posted that I wanted DeSantis and Haley to run and one can be VP for four years and then switch. I agree with a Twitter/X post today to say the only way for Republicans to win is for Trump to drop out, and I thought that was cool because then DeSantis can run against Biden.

The force of the far right and far left appears to be strong these days, even on this board. I’m sure you understand the President may be need to be awaken at 3:00 A.M tomorrow morning if suddenly we are under attack. That’s the most pressing now. And finally, I did not watch the so-called debate because the likelihood of what happened was high and I didn’t want to watch it happen, unlike what this post was about; I don’t like to watch someone humiliate himself.

Ok. So then you are for using facts as the basis for discussion and are going to come back to explain how your earlier comments on inflation aren't based on Trump talking points and inference but an understanding of the economics behind the spike in inflation?