Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

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Also on Balch:

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/202 ... upremacist
But Hatewatch tied Balch to a Twitter account that also indicates he was immersed in white supremacist propaganda prior to traveling to Kenosha. Balch published to Twitter on Feb. 3, 2017 a link to a website that featured a video of explicit Nazi propaganda, as demonstrated here in these two archives: 1 and 2. The video Balch’s account linked to, “Truth Will Triumph: Adolf Hitler,” circulated on fringe white supremacist websites around the time he posted it. The video relies heavily on footage of Hitler speeches. White supremacists embedded that video within the domain “antifascism.org,” and employed carefully phrased and misleading content, enabling it to be circulated without being easily detected as Nazi propaganda. White nationalist Richard Spencer is among the people who shared it to Twitter, one day earlier than Balch did.

Balch’s Twitter account, which he hasn't tweeted from since December 2018, also follows and has retweeted Spencer. It also tweeted at Lauren Southern on the same day he shared the link to the Hitler video. Southern is a Canadian woman who frequently promotes the so-called great replacement conspiracy theory, which suggests that white people are being systematically replaced by non-white people in Western countries. Accused and convicted white supremacist terrorists – like the New Zealand mosque shooter – who adhere to this theory have murdered scores of people in recent years in its name.

Balch demonstrated an awareness of extreme far-right, antisemitic conspiracy theories on Twitter too. He referred to himself as a “goy” in one tweet. Goy is a Jewish name for a non-Jewish person, and it’s sometimes used by white supremacists ironically to signal their acceptance of those conspiracy theories. Balch wrote his “goy” tweet as one of a series of tweets directed at a man named Daniel Cohen, who describes himself in his Twitter bio as a rabbi. Balch appeared to focus his commentary at Cohen on that man’s views urging for gun control. At one point in the Nazi propaganda video Balch drove traffic to, the subtitles proclaim, “Beyond Europe and the whole world, the international Jewry will be recognized as its entire demonic threat,” before cutting away to an image of Jewish billionaire philanthropist George Soros. Soros is at the center of numerous antisemitic conspiracy theories peddled by far-right extremists.

Balch also shared a meme on Twitter that proclaimed, “Commies Can’t Punch You with a Hole in their Head. ” The meme, which Balch posted March 27, 2018, featured an illustration of a heavily armed man holding a hat with a blood soaked bullet hole in it.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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The federal complaint says Boogaloo Bois, how they sometimes are known with "boys" misspelled, is one of the self-proclaimed "militia" groups that put out a "call to arms" on Facebook to encourage violence against people protesting the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

"Social media is central to the ways in which these groups find each other in space and come together and are radicalized and mobilized, and the calls to action come over social media as well," said Cynthia Miller-Idriss, Director of the Polarization & Extremism Research & Innovation Lab at American University.

The lawsuit claims posts cited in the filing led 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, who is named as a defendant in the suit, to show up armed in Kenosha. The filing says Rittenhouse, "under the tactical supervision" of defendant Ryan Balch, an "avowed member of the Boogaloo Bois," then "shot and killed two protestors with his assault rifle."
See https://abc7chicago.com/kyle-rittenhous ... g/6801990/
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Ryan Balch testified for the prosecution. He is an Army veteran and reportedly a self-described adherent of the “Boogaloo Bois,” a far-right movement that believes a second U.S. Civil War is on the horizon. The connection does not appear to have been discussed in court.

Balch “has used his social media accounts to link to a Nazi propaganda video, amplified white nationalist Richard Spencer, and uploaded symbols associated with the so-called boogaloo movement,” the Southern Poverty Law Center indicated. He also previously wrote an extensive Facebook post outlining his activities in Kenosha, which he described as a mission against “agitators who were dead set on destroying the town and causing serious bodily harm to innocents.” In that post, he claimed the Kenosha Police Department “made a conscious decision to abandon the people of Kenosha” and started “pushing the protesters towards us because we could deal with them.” He claimed he “Had a great conversation with BLM about the police creating the situation” before leaving the area.
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/liv ... -kill-you/
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:13 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 pm
You're describing a situation in which the faller shoots first.
My mistake in word order. What if he fell, and then aimed at you, are you allowed to take defensive steps?
Yes. Nevertheless, the attackers didn't take defensive steps; they took offensive ones.
K Graham wrote:you'd have to be reaallly dumb to think that having a big ass rifle strapped around your body doesn't in any way put you at a disadvantage in hand to hand combat.
Canpakes, this bit of wisdom may have contributed to Rittenhouse's split-second decisions to shoot his attackers rather than attempt fisticuffs with them.
Refresh my memory please.
I'm pretty sure he was referring to the incident that took place in your place of business in Latin America.
Kishkumen wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:12 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:01 pm
In that case, please educate me: What else that might look less flattering happened that wasn't caught on camera? I'm serious.
Such as Kyle's voluntary departure from the car dealership to patrol the streets with Ryan Balch, the white supremacist vet, who disavowed the boogaloo boys publicly only after he was found out.
Well, I hereby consider myself educated. Thank you for that.

"Patrolling the streets" was an INCREDIBLY stupid thing for Rittenhouse to do because that was an active, uh, act that most likely falls squarely into the field of vigilantism. . . unlike stoically standing at a business in order to act as a sort of human shield against rioters who want to burn it to the ground. And if he was at all aware of his patrol-mate's ideology, it was doubly stupid for him to have chosen to be seen with the guy.
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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:36 pm
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:20 pm
Nope. He was in the act of flanking Rittenhouse as he pulled the gun on him again. The only reason he didn't pump Rittenhouse full of lead was because Rittenhouse was a split second quicker on the draw. Grosskreutz posted to his Twitter account soon after the incident that his only regret was not emptying his magazine into Rittenhouse.
Sure he did; the thought was probably foremost in his mind as he struggled to type into his phone while missing a bicep.

Regardless, that speaks to mindset at the time. He didn’t empty his magazine into Rittenhouse.
What do you suppose was Grosskreutz’s mindset, who was also larping as an EMT, and had traveled twice as far to Keno with an illegal weapon?

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:19 pm
canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:36 pm
Sure he did; the thought was probably foremost in his mind as he struggled to type into his phone while missing a bicep.
OOPS! I misremembered. It was his roommate that posted the words that he supposedly heard Grosskreutz say verbally. As I searched for a link to the story, I found another one wherein the roommate later testified on the stand that he made it all up. LINK

Well, that doesn’t involve use of his bicep, so it’s not nearly as humerus.*


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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:05 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:34 pm
Where rioter-apologists fail in their reasoning was that KR was running toward the cops. If the rioters were going to detain him and hand him over to the cops, why would they stop KR from getting to the cops? They should’ve just talked to the cops, pointed to KR, and stated KR just got done shooting a man dead.
Two possibilities there. One would be that folks running after Rittenhouse may have been more focused on him rather than the police line, versus Rittenhouse being primarily focused on reaching the police line. That makes sense given that the crowd became agitated when Rittenhouse was departing Rosenbaum, much further back.

The other thought is that folks may have figured that if not stopped, Rittenhouse might just get away regardless. Indeed, officers let him stroll right by them after he reached the line, without stopping him. At least one video shows that.

Just conjecturin’ on your conjecturin’.
They didn’t let him stroll past - they were responding to the shouts that someone was just shot dead. It’s in one of the videos I posted; you can literally hear the cops say, “Someone’s been shot.”, and they all start to pull fwd. It’s clear they prioritized moving toward the incident than detaining some kid with his hands up. Once KR gets behind police lines, I understand he was offered water, but nobody knows what he said to the LEOs further back from the original line. Regardless, KR turned himself in and he was arrested, as we know, so it’s not like KR got a pass.

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canpakes wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:05 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:34 pm
Where rioter-apologists fail in their reasoning was that KR was running toward the cops. If the rioters were going to detain him and hand him over to the cops, why would they stop KR from getting to the cops? They should’ve just talked to the cops, pointed to KR, and stated KR just got done shooting a man dead.
Two possibilities there. One would be that folks running after Rittenhouse may have been more focused on him rather than the police line, versus Rittenhouse being primarily focused on reaching the police line. That makes sense given that the crowd became agitated when Rittenhouse was departing Rosenbaum, much further back.

The other thought is that folks may have figured that if not stopped, Rittenhouse might just get away regardless. Indeed, officers let him stroll right by them after he reached the line, without stopping him. At least one video shows that.

Just conjecturin’ on your conjecturin’.
Also, was it their job to detain KR? If so, then you can’t really make the argument that KR acting as a deputy to respond to crime is any more irrational than some felons deputizing themselves to react to crime.

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canpakes wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:08 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:19 pm
OOPS! I misremembered. It was his roommate that posted the words that he supposedly heard Grosskreutz say verbally. As I searched for a link to the story, I found another one wherein the roommate later testified on the stand that he made it all up. LINK
Well, that doesn’t involve use of his bicep, so it’s not nearly as humerus.*


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