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The GOP political machine has become ruthlessly efficient at winnowing out anyone with integrity independent of party. So anyone who isn’t a walking dumpster fire really stands out. I am not sure how much praise a person in the party should get for doing the obviously right thing, but in this moment my intuition is still to find it laudable.
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EAllusion wrote:The GOP political machine has become ruthlessly efficient at winnowing out anyone with integrity independent of party. So anyone who isn’t a walking dumpster fire really stands out. I am not sure how much praise a person in the party should get for doing the obviously right thing, but in this moment my intuition is still to find it laudable.



Absolutely. Even if this is just a political calculation, I have to hand it to him.
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Morley wrote:
EAllusion wrote:The GOP political machine has become ruthlessly efficient at winnowing out anyone with integrity independent of party. So anyone who isn’t a walking dumpster fire really stands out. I am not sure how much praise a person in the party should get for doing the obviously right thing, but in this moment my intuition is still to find it laudable.



Absolutely. Even if this is just a political calculation, I have to hand it to him.

It seems bad for him politically. Mormons love Romney, so he’s probably the safest of all Republican senators, but even then this seems to be a political risk. Right wing media is already out for blood.

This was him doing what’s right in the face of political (and possibly worse) risk.
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EAllusion wrote:It seems bad for him politically. Mormons love Romney, so he’s probably the safest of all Republican senators, but even then this seems to be a political risk. Right wing media is already out for blood.

This was him doing what’s right in the face of political (and possibly worse) risk.
It also puts him on the very short list of Republicans who's actions match their words when it comes to Trump. It is generally very predictable that right after a scandal happens the "centerists" of the party will do some hand wringing and speak to how troubling such-and-such was and then do absolutely nothing about it. Heck, even the guys like Flake just decided to bail instead of trying to put up a fight.
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mikwut wrote:canpakes,

As is a belief in Santa Claus relevant to a child’s state of mind, with a similar focus on self.

You’re doing a great job of proving the House Manager position.


YES!!! I don't know why you can't grasp this very simple legal principle. If at trial it was relevant whether a child really believed in Santa Claus then you bet that is relevant, and it does not make it irrelevant that Santa Claus doesn't exist. This is so simple I am baffled. It is the state of the president's mind. Not whether the state of his mind was a mistake.

Ultimately, whether the state of his mind was a mistake must be considered. It’s not a pass on behavior. It’s being used here largely as a poor excuse, and that’s under the assumption that Trump actually believes that there’s some corruption afoot ... as opposed to this being a calculated political move.

For this defense to be taken seriously, one must believe that Trump’s mental capacities and level of self control make him unfit to retain his position. : D
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EAllusion wrote:
Morley wrote:
Absolutely. Even if this is just a political calculation, I have to hand it to him.

It seems bad for him politically. Mormons love Romney, so he’s probably the safest of all Republican senators, but even then this seems to be a political risk. Right wing media is already out for blood.

This was him doing what’s right in the face of political (and possibly worse) risk.



He may be counting on being the leader in the moderate swing that a Republican Party reevaluation might require, post-Donald.

Besides, I think he'd still like to be president. If he could ever get the nomination again, he knows he would need to appeal to some on the left.



edit: And what Xenophon said. Ha!
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Acquitted.
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MissTish wrote:Markk-


Why didn't Trump have the DOJ investigate the Bidens?


Also, why did he finally release the Ukraine aid?


We'll give Markk another crack at this since he goldfished the “F” out his answer to you.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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It's also not a little bit ironic, what with all the hand wringing the Right seems to be doing over Hunter Biden's sinecure, when Markk posts absolute dog crap by Peter Schweizer. Why is that funny? Well because the Mercer Foundation donated $1 million this is where I insert stuff in my posts to demonstrate they're not being read by the idiots to GAI in just 2013 alone. Guess who sits on GAI's board? Well, Rebekah Mercer was listed on the GAI's board of directors in its 2013 tax documents, but is not currently listed among board members on the group's website. THAT'S WEIRD. Anyway. I realize I just went over my word limit and the smooth brains of our Conservo posters have predictably numbed out.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:It's also not a little bit ironic, what with all the hand wringing the Right seems to be doing over Hunter Biden's sinecure, when Markk posts absolute dog crap by Peter Schweizer. Why is that funny? Well because the Mercer Foundation donated $1 million this is where I insert stuff in my posts to demonstrate they're not being read by the idiots to GAI in just 2013 alone. Guess who sits on GAI's board? Well, Rebekah Mercer was listed on the GAI's board of directors in its 2013 tax documents, but is not currently listed among board members on the group's website. THAT'S WEIRD. Anyway. I realize I just went over my word limit and the smooth brains of our Conservo posters have predictably numbed out.

- Doc

Interestingly, Hunter Biden was more qualified for his board seat job than Trump was for his Presidency. That Trump was no politician, but a man who ran business scams and bankrupted a casino was seen as a admirable feature for Republican voters. Go figure.
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