"National Emergency" it is!

[_subgenius]

.... This'll be fun when a Democratic President uses their Executive powers to ban guns based on a 'national emergency'. Precedence is going to be a bitch.

- Doc

This is such a laughable rhetorical device used by Pelosi to properly measure who the rubes are - so congrats on that.

A border security "emergency" executive order doesn't require usurping the 1st Amendment, so not sure what you and Pelosi are imagining except more of the same "Trump" hair fires.

Regardless, as mentioned upthread, Obama pitched a similar tantrum when he couldn't get money for the ACA subsidies (now this is actually where you should mention precedence being a bitch for Democrats). But the subsequent lawsuit shut Obama down. So, if by precedence being a bitch in the future you mean that another Democratic President will lose in court and have his/her executive order nullified, then yeah...what a bitch that will be yet again for the Democrats.

[_canpakes]

How is this an emergency when Trump has countermanded his own statements on the issue? This is just a money grab.

Where's that check from Mexico?

Scratch that. The taxpayers will cut this check, to some of Trump’s construction biz friends.

[_Jersey Girl]

From the ACLU today via email

President Trump declaring a phony national emergency demonstrates how willing he is to undermine the Constitution — and how eager he is to keep escalating his cruel, cynical and politically-motivated attack on immigrant families. We're not going to let him get away with it.

We will be taking Trump to court and challenging this dangerous threat to our democracy. Now, we need your help to keep defending the rule of law and fighting for people's fundamental rights.

Donate now. Help the ACLU keep fighting to defend the Constitution and protect the rights of immigrants and asylum seekers.

Donald Trump and his administration have made clear just how far they are willing to go — how many barriers of law, democratic norms, and human decency they are willing to barge through — just to build the wall at the center of their attack on immigrants. But we're going to keep fighting back: Since Trump came to office, we've filed 207 legal actions against his
administration and we filed two other lawsuits in just the past 24 hours.

Yesterday, we filed a lawsuit challenging Trump's new policy of forcing asylum seekers from Central America back into Mexico, stranding them in dangerous and difficult conditions indefinitely while their claims are processed. And next week, we'll be back in court, working to force the administration to account for potentially thousands of family separations they enforced and didn't bother to document.

Help us keep fighting to challenge the Trump administration's abuse of power.

Declaring a bogus national emergency for political gains is a new low for the Trump administration. There is no crisis at the southern border other than the humanitarian crisis this administration has created by tear gassing families and children, locking up asylum seekers, tearing apart families, letting children die on their watch — the list of abuses goes on. That is the crisis.

And as long as Trump continues to show blatant disregard for the rule of law, then we'll keep fighting back.

We're fighting for the country we want to live in — and it's not one that wages fabricated, Constitution-defying national emergencies out of hate, fear and ignorance.

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[_canpakes]

From where I sit, the biggest mistake that Trump supporters around me are making is that they believe Trump is like them to the point where they've shut down their ability to reasonably and rationally evaluate the guy they hired.

Apparently, your neighborhood is filled with folks who’ve:

- had nearly a half-billion bucks shoveled into their bank accounts by their daddy’s businesses and then still went on to pass a billion dollars of their debt on to the backs of taxpayers,
- regularly stiffed the folks who worked for them,
- run casinos into bankruptcy,
- shafted thousands of folks out of money and time with name-branded ‘products’ of questionable or ineffective quality,
- are so insecure that they must lie prodigiously over even the stupidest of things,
- have had multiple affairs over the course of multiple marriages.

[_MeDotOrg]

Trump became the 5th U.S. president elected while losing the popular vote. He did so backed by a base that was fanatically loyal and ideologically intransigent. Trump is stuck on the horns of a dilemma: The more he caters to his ideologically rigid base, the more he usually alienates the rest of the country. But the more he reaches out to compromise with the other side, the more he is called a sell-out and traitor by his ideologically pure base.

That leaves a skilled and seasoned politician very little room to operate. Trump is proudly not a politician. Now that Democrats control the House, Trump is dealing with a major part of the legislative branch that does not think of Donald Trump as their boss. As a narcissist who had nearly dictatorial power in the running of his own company, this situation is not in his wheelhouse.

Trump has great instincts for ginning up his base, but those instincts do not serve him well when trying to reach out to others. The 2018 midterms were a case in point, with Trump sending troops to the border. To his supporters he sold it as stopping the foreign hordes, to his detractors he sold a compassionate conservative version of 'just say no', a wall whose very existence would prevent thousands of Central Americans of ever attempting the journey.

Ann Coulter talked and Trump listened. We got a 35 day government shutdown as a result. Even Trump is not suicidal enough to pull the shutdown card out again, so now it's sign the legislation but declare a national emergency.

What will probably happen is that Trump's wall end, not with a bang, but in the dry language of a Supreme Court ruling. The one thing that gives me pause is the language of the National Emergencies Act does not define a national emergency. The President can say that an emergency is what is says it is, because there is no limitation on his power under the statute. However, I'm not sure the Courts are going to give the President carte blanche, especially when he said "I don't have to do this" when announcing the State of Emergency.

[_Jersey Girl]

From where I sit, the biggest mistake that Trump supporters around me are making is that they believe Trump is like them to the point where they've shut down their ability to reasonably and rationally evaluate the guy they hired.

Apparently, your neighborhood is filled with folks who’ve:

- had nearly a half-billion bucks shoveled into their bank accounts by their daddy’s businesses and then still went on to pass a billion dollars of their debt on to the backs of taxpayers,
- regularly stiffed the folks who worked for them,
- run casinos into bankruptcy,
- shafted thousands of folks out of money and time with name-branded ‘products’ of questionable or ineffective quality,
- are so insecure that they must lie prodigiously over even the stupidest of things,
- have had multiple affairs over the course of multiple marriages.

Oh don't worry, canpakes, your point is not missed on me!

[_EAllusion]

There's a lot of, "I can't wait until Democrats get to abuse this power for their own policy goals" commentary. I hate to burst their bubble, but if a Democratic president does something similar, the media will be almost unanimous in condemning them 24/7, they'll get a lot of scolding from fellow Democrats, and the Republican Supreme Court will shut them down.

There are completely different standards for Democrats than Republicans and they can't necessarily get the same running room a Republican has for Constitutional hardball.

[_Maksutov]

Trump wants to build his Maginot Line.

[_Brackite]

After declaring a national emergency, President Trump went down to Mar-a-Lago to do a bit of golfing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ssion=true

[_MeDotOrg]

Maginot line/Mar a lago=tomatoe/tomato