Defining Progressivism

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Hound, I appreciate your concern about political movements and leaders requiring an ‘enemies list’. Here are some excellent examples:

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Trump and MAGA remain the best examples of the phenomenon, wouldn’t you agree? Of course you would.
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Molok wrote:
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I mean seriously, the world is burning down all around us, aided by the most evil and dumb among us, who really cares about pronouns?
This is where the rubber meets the road. Trump fans whining about "wokeism" and "progressivism" are missing the big picture, that most people don't want to live in a fascist state with an untrustworthy reputation worldwide.

Again, if anyone voted for Trump because they couldn't stand "wokeism," they are the exact morons I've been talking about Trump voters being all along.
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Hound, here’s another example of a politician and movement that depends heavily on an ‘enemies list’, to a point of dysfunction:

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Hound, I appreciate that you’re providing an opportunity to show how such rot has entered our political system. I know that you are starting small by targeting pronoun users, but I’m sure that you’ll find your strength someday, as well as be able to find enough backbone within yourself to tackle the larger threats. Don’t cower in darkness ! You can stand up against fear and authoritarianism, if and when you decide that you are able to. : )
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There are progressives who believe that the road of progress lies in protecting individual rights under the law as provided in our constitution. Then there are different kinds of progressives who believe that the road to making America great again override such concerns and calling them woke.
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huckelberry wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:52 pm
There are progressives who believe that the road of progress lies in protecting individual rights under the law as provided in our constitution. Then there are different kinds of progressives who believe that the road to making America great again override such concerns and calling them woke.
The second type you mentioned are not progressives. They are, at best, hateful bigots pretending to be progressives. I am more than ever convinced that anti-woke is merely a condemnable and covert euphemism for bigot!
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Alright, I believe this is an opportune moment to pause and highlight some facts that will aid everyone in recalling why progressivism is detrimental not only to the Democratic Party but also to the nation and the globe.

It's important to recognize that progressivism is fundamentally socialism in disguise. Here are the facts! In 2024, DEI and the extreme progressive ideology were prominent on the ballot, while Donald Trump stood in opposition, proclaiming his intent to dismantle DEI and woke culture in America. What was the outcome of the vote? Considering the progressives and their compassion for minorities, one might assume they would have predominantly supported the Democrats rather than the white supremacist known as Trump, wouldn't you agree? Here is the comparison of voter support for Trump between 2024 and 2016.

In 2016 Trump got 51% of the white women vote and increased to 53% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 18% of the black men vote and increased to 24% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 32% of the Latina men vote and increased to 47% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 29% of the Latina women vote and increased to 36% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 37% of the youth vote and increased to 46% in 2024

What insights can we draw from these percentages? We learn that progressivism is detrimental, and even those whom DEI is intended to assist are increasingly opposed to it as they discover its negative impact on society. DEI is no longer relevant. Wokeism has reached its end, and it is my hope that progressives will understand this and form their own party, where they can fully embrace their socialist beliefs to their heart's content.
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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:19 pm
In 2016 Trump got 51% of the white women vote and increased to 53% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 18% of the black men vote and increased to 24% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 32% of the Latina men vote and increased to 47% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 29% of the Latina women vote and increased to 36% in 2024
In 2016 Trump got 37% of the youth vote and increased to 46% in 2024
According to Trump, he won because of ‘the groceries’.

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He should probably get crackin’ on that. He seems to be heading in the wrong direction.
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Oh noes.

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It is cute how HoH has diagnosed the cause of Trump’s victory in ways that really don’t make sense. People voted for Trump in the same wave of economic dissatisfaction that impacted elections in many other western countries. The pattern is very clear, but Hound can’t let go of his obsession with woke and Progressivism. Hound wants a bogeyman to help excuse and prop up Trump.
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I am truly delighted by how much I have been able to teach you in such a brief span of time.

You are right, individuals across the globe are unhappy with progressive socialists who view globalism as a suitable substitute for freedom of thought. Once more, Kishkumen, you find yourself on the incorrect side of history.

However, I believe you want to act according to your principles on the board, yet you feel constrained by the fear of being labeled a Nazi or white supremacist. It's quite intriguing how militant progressivism operates, isn't it?
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