Impeachment hearings

[_Markk]

But once again, I must ask my question that you are avoiding answering: WHY DIDN"T Trump HAVE THE DOJ INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS?

I did...here viewtopic.php?p=1215137#p1215137

If you have another view...let me know, and I will opine.

[_MissTish]

You absolutely did not.


But your commitment to evading the question is almost impressive.

[Guest]

WHY DIDN"T Trump HAVE THE DOJ INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS?

Sorry to jump in but I can't take the family yelling anymore :)

The obvious answer to your gotcha zinger question is we don't know. Every narrative has its holes. And we don't have all the facts. Way earlier in this thread I asked E why is Trump going through such convoluted and entangled craziness just to get an announcement smear that he already had and could have smeared the “F” out of Biden and his son with on the whole campaign trail. (He still will) If it is just a smear, he already had it. And if there is nothing to Joe's involvement he would have ended up hurting himself. Leaving the smear to the imagination is certainly better than clearing his rivals name. The answer I got was yah, he and Rudy and whoever else their just dumb. That's not very satisfying either.

There could be a lot of reasons. Maybe he wanted the investigations to force an investigation by the DOJ? He doesn't just have carte blanche to tell the DOJ to go investigate anyone and anything. Predicates need to be met. Maybe Rudy did because he was already getting no help in his own venture with the state department. Maybe he believed (this is where what he did would be inappropriate but not impeachable) the Biden situation to be so corrupt that Zelensky if fighting corruption would want the same and the announcement would help both countries. Maybe, he is just dumb and thought he wasn't opening up such a can a worms. Other answers which our facts we currently have just don't answer for us surely exist.

The thing I can't get past is 1) how anyone can just wave a hand at the relevance of the Biden situation and 2) a belief that seems to come across as just black and white either the President is perfect, or the president needs to be impeached. We know the fact pattern with Hunter Biden, it has been verified. There was just no connection to Joe except a possible conflict of interest. We now know two further things. Joe Biden is without a doubt guilty of nepotism. With Hunter, his brothers, brother in law, and his son in law. And it always has the same impeccable timing, lucrative deal to family member with no relevant experience. Your just a ham sandwich you call Trumpers if you don't accept those facts. There as proved as any narrative about Trump. That isn't illegal I suppose it might just be unsavory. But anyone with half a brain can start to do the conflict math. Joe is sticking his head out for all these family members for years, watching them live in mansions and fast cars, fending off politically any accusations of his own possible involvement corruption wise. He might want a piece, that's human. And now, Rudy as crazy as he seems has turned over a document of wire transfers of millions and millions of dollars, BEYOND Hunter and Archer's salaries, from Burisma into Rosemont Seneca - Hunter and Archer's investment firm. What the hell is that for? That isn't normal board disbursements at all. It isn't a stretch to ask the question, are those kickbacks for Joe for all he has done? I don't know that. But that is NOT ridiculous.

As an independent I ask. I would feel a lot better if both sides just called balls and strikes. Why don't democrats just say impeach Trump AND what the f-c-k Joe! And why aren't the Republicans saying Jesus Trump AND what the f-c-k Joe!
When both sides start real integrity is where authenticity starts.

I don't say this just because it's Trump, but because it's close in time. Any democrat should be able to applaud general low employment for hell's sake. And any democrat should be appalled at the speaker of the house ripping up the speech. Any Republican should say Rush Limbaugh is a talk show host divisive dog, why give someone like that such a prestigious medal in the midst of our divisions? Those things are progress.

mikwut

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Predicates need to be met.

Based off Republican accusations, what 'predicates' haven't been met that would preclude President Trump from ordering the DoJ to look into the Bidens' dealing in Ukraine?

- Doc

[_MissTish]

WHY DIDN"T Trump HAVE THE DOJ INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS?

Sorry to jump in but I can't take the family yelling anymore :)

The obvious answer to your gotcha zinger question is we don't know. Every narrative has its holes. And we don't have all the facts. Way earlier in this thread I asked E why is Trump going through such convoluted and entangled craziness just to get an announcement smear that he already had and could have smeared the “F” out of Biden and his son with on the whole campaign trail. (He still will) If it is just a smear, he already it. And if there is nothing to Joe's involvement he would have ended up hurting himself. Leaving the smear to the imagination is certainly better than clearing his rivals name. The answer I got was yah, he and Rudy and whoever else their just dumb. That's not very satisfying either.

There could be a lot of reasons. Maybe he wanted the investigations to force an investigation by the DOJ? He doesn't just have carte blanche to tell the DOJ to go investigate anyone and anything. Predicates need to be met. Maybe Rudy did because he was already getting no help in his own venture with the state department. Maybe he believed (this is where what he did would be inappropriate but not impeachable) the Biden situation to be so corrupt that Zelensky if fighting corruption would want the same and the announcement would help both countries. Maybe, he is just dumb and thought he wasn't opening up such a can a worms. Other answers which our facts we currently have just don't answer for us surely exist.

You've put a few potential maybes down as to why he didn't mikwut, but you leave out the most straightforward one.

[Guest]

Hi Doc,

Well they might be investigating and we don't know. I am curious to see what comes of Rudy's wire transfers and it seems a Senate committee is starting to investigate. When politics gets involved the lower standard predicates, like the crap the FBI used, i.e. talk in bar for FISA warrants, might not be enough. Barr is already being smeared.

mikwut

[_mikwut]

MishTish,

You are correct madam! Because he was blatantly smearing a political rival for his own personal gain. I thought you were seeking the counter narrative.

mikwut

[_EAllusion]

Hey EAllusion

You claim to somehow understand politics and politicians, and you just now figured this out? Say what you will about Bill O'Reilly, much deserved, but, "The Spin Zone" hits the nail on the head. That is what they do

They are all liars EAllusion, most would sell their mother for the right price...but, we are blessed with the best system in that the checks and balances keep us going, and standing up for what your party offers up from a ideological point of view is what matters in my opinion, if you get off of that and start trusting any individual, or putting them up on a throne, you will be let down.

But hey you are on the road to recovery, admitting the problem, and no longer denying this is the first step :)

Neat post to write right after the system of checks and balances crashed and burned, but I wanted to highlight one thing here.

Not all politicians are liars. And among those that are there are significant differences in the the degree, frequency, and intent of lying. The really bad liars, which unfortunately encompasses mainstream Republicanism, count on people eliding these differences and dismissing everyone as liars. When not being convincing, the goal is to obliterate trust, make people tune out, and dodge accountability on the logic that everyone is guilty.

[_EAllusion]

Hi Doc,

Well they might be investigating and we don't know. I am curious to see what comes of Rudy's wire transfers and it seems a Senate committee is starting to investigate. When politics gets involved the lower standard predicates, like the ____ the FBI used, i.e. talk in bar for FISA warrants, might not be enough. Barr is already being smeared to just be Trump's puppet so the DOJ would want to have harder proof then just probable cause.

mikwut

“Smeared.”

[_mikwut]

Fixed. Thanks.