I HEREBY STEP DOWN FOR NOW

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ceeboo wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:31 am
... In addition, to witness how flippantly and unthoughtfully you have been pressured to step aside (discarded/cancelled in my opinion) has been beyond sad to me....
:roll: meanwhile...
Marcus wrote:
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So, you decided to have a group of people that you hand-picked decide moderation issues on a board with many participants rather than keep that power entirely to yourself. That’s just acknowledging that more than one brain making decisions is better than a dictatorship. Smart move.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:39 am
ceeboo wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:31 am


To anyone who read the many posts on this board recently, this was obvious.
NO. It wasn't.
Do you SEE this part of his post, ceeboo???
To clarify, I didn't step down because I have too much going on in my personal life or because I needed a break for whatever reason. Things in both my personal and professional life have gotten much more tolerable, thank goodness.
WHY do you think he chose to address his personal and professional life?
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Kishkumen wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:54 pm
Certainly, when I was a kid. I grew up. It was easy to believe in Santa Claus and magic when I was a kid, too.
And maybe you will one day see your current beliefs as being the equivalent of Santa Claus and magic. It could also be that your sense of what Santa Claus and magic are all about is at the root of a problem you will one day overcome.
I am currently unaware of whatever problem to which you're referring. My current understanding of the concepts of both Santa Claus and magic are working out just fine for me.
Yes, it looked pretty self-congratulatory. I'll be honest. I do agree with you that getting upset ideally should move people to reexamine their assumptions and beliefs. At the same time, outgrowing Santa Claus and magic are not the only legitimate results. Outgrowing certain simplistic ideas about Santa Claus and magic may be legitimate alternatives to rejecting them completely.

At the very least they may be accepted as harmless alternatives in others even if they don't work for you.
If you would like to elucidate on alternative takes on Santa and magic, I'm all ears. If you're just going to talk about the value of myths, I'm already there.
It wouldn't surprise me, particularly. I follow scientific experts. The accuracy of anything comes down to the precision in which it's expressed, something else that evolves over time.
Evolves or is overturned when the limitations of old models make them unsustainable. Scientific experts are good for science, and science is not good for everything. The assumption that science is universally capable is an ideology, not science.
It's the best we have for arriving at whatever we consider knowledge. Until something better comes along, I'll stick with the scientific consensus. Where the evidence is incomplete, I'm content to admit that I don't know.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:28 pm
I contend that you misread or misinterpreted or are misrepresenting the very reasons you think that people wanted you to step down.
I know why people wanted me to step down. I’m just debunking false notions about why I finally complied.
Your above claim could only be deduced from a selective reading of our many appeals to you for the past 8 months not to mention our collective concern for you.
I didn’t step down because of what’s been said to me for the past eight months. I stepped down because of the desires expressed by a critical mass over the last few days.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:28 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:28 pm
I contend that you misread or misinterpreted or are misrepresenting the very reasons you think that people wanted you to step down.
I know why people wanted me to step down. I’m just debunking false notions about why I finally complied.
Your above claim could only be deduced from a selective reading of our many appeals to you for the past 8 months not to mention our collective concern for you.
I didn’t step down because of what’s been said to me for the past eight months. I stepped down because of the desires expressed by a critical mass over the last few days.

Why did people want you to step down?

And please do not respond with some ambiguous BS like --because of all the things they said on this thread OR what difference does it make now?

I want you to tell me precisely what you think some people here were asking or suggesting that you step down.
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You were one of the ones who wanted me to step down so the moderators could do their thing. In fact, you had a rather dramatic meltdown over it.

So it's unnecessary for me to tell you something you already know.
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I think that there are some discussions, perhaps including the one of which the two previous posts form part, that might be better conducted by PM. They don't need to be shared with the entire board.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:05 am
It's the best we have for arriving at whatever we consider knowledge. Until something better comes along, I'll stick with the scientific consensus. Where the evidence is incomplete, I'm content to admit that I don't know.
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Look, I think some serious fence mending is in order and sugar coating what happened won’t get us there. The posting to and about Shades that led him to step down was pretty ugly. It was the day the trolls won. They succeeded in dividing the community here — in this case turning it against the founder. This is a badly wounded community. It needs healing, and I agree with Chap that conversations that need to take place would best be held privately.

I hate what has happened and I hate the position I’m in. I’m angry at Mike and Binger, I’m angry at those who turned on Shades, and I’m angry at Shades for letting a problem fester until it became a crisis and then dumping it in my lap. And I’m angry at myself for not being able to prevent a train wreck.

All that’s okay. I get to feel angry. I don’t stay angry long and I’ll process it and move on. In the meantime, I’ll keep doing what I’ve been asked to do out of respect for Shades and for what he has tried to create. And I’ll mend my own fences once I’m in a better place emotionally.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:21 pm
Look, I think some serious fence mending is in order and sugar coating what happened won’t get us there. The posting to and about Shades that led him to step down was pretty ugly. It was the day the trolls won.
No, the trolls were using Shades. They lost when he stepped down.
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