The Fentanyl Crisis is finally solved....

[Morley]

I think that'a a great point, Dr Scratch. Gadianton's plan was put together as spur of the moment thought experiment, after a couple of minutes of musing. As I said before, I think it's pretty good for all of that. Much better than I--or Markk--or Donald J Trump could have created. The proof of this statement is that Trump's plan to stop fentanyl is so bad that Markk can't explain how how it's going to work. No one can, because Trump's plan, like this thread, is all about misdirection.

[Markk]

I admit I was surprised as well, Dr. Robbers. Mark immediately began crowing with glee about the “absurdity” of a purely hypothetical plan.

Lol..."crowning with glee"....always the drama queen. I am not DCP you don't have to be so dramatic here, save them for Dan.

In Gad's mind, it was modeled after the late opium war in China in the 50's. So focus.... I thought, like others did, that he was joking around with a "purely hypothetical plan" but he assured us he was quite serious. It is in one of his first few posts on the first page.

I mean, unless you actually are running for office, and stand a chance of being elected to the presidency, actually *get* elected, and then somehow have practically omnipotent dictatorial powers, then it’s unclear why he would think that your plan deserves the same level of scrutiny as the one currently being out in place by the guy he helped to elect.

Genuinely Lol, this is truly classic coming from you.... sad as it is Scratch, it is what we do here, we have back and forths with people we agree and disagree with. Or as what excel in, you just talk crap about people you hate. Given that you have spent the last 30 years or so with a deranged obsession with a fat guy in Utah, and while keeping with your dramatic theme here...."at the ready to scurry and pounce on your keyboard, passing on any spicy thing he might say; then crowing yourself with joyous wreaths of achievement and shinning glory when your prey speaks something alluring that tickles your uncontrollable compulsive obsession." lol, I find you are being a bit hypocritical here; don't you think?

Scratch, I have a genuine concern for the hundred's of thousands of American's that have died and are affected by the epidemic. It has hurt my family. It sucks. in my opinion it is sad that folks are fighting against solving this because of politics.

He declares that the completely hypothetical approach to the fentanyl issue somehow seems like the “stupid bus,” and yet when he is presented with the actual, current president’s actual, real approach —I.e., sending troops to the border, he begins frantically backpedaling and making excuses: “It’s only been a coupla months! Give him more time!”

If you have been following the conversation, you would have read other this things he is implementing. And it will take time, years, and even then there is no real guarantee. And in the short time he has starting implementing policy, you are ignoring the positives that have occurred. If these were Biden's or Harris' policies you would be champions for them.

What do you think we as a nation should do about this epidemic?

He also says he expects there to be many flaws in Trump’s plan, and that Trump will make mistakes. How, one wonders, will all those troops at the border really wind up helping the addicts in West Virginia coal country, or in the alleys of downtown Portland?

Again, what is your plan?

Anyone and I mean anyone that is on the streets, whether in Portland, WV, LA, or SLC can get help if they want it. Anyone. The family member we "lost" was/is offered help over and over, she's simply sick and does not want it, even when she does. Short of locking her up and keeping her away from drugs, there is nothing no one can do about it, only she can make that choice. That is the reality of it.

Troops on the border is slowing down all sorts of trafficking as I have said several times, including one the cartels largest rackets, human trafficking. Is that a bad thing scratch? Is designating the cartels terrorists a bad thing to you scratch? If so, why?

Why are you opposed to a secure and controlled border?

[Doctor Steuss]

This seems like about as good a place as any to share. New data from the US's NIDA is out, as well as provisional data from the CDC. Fentanyl overdoses dropped about 30% in Biden's final year. Hopefully the former(?) drug addict that can't accurately interpret even a basic abstract that is heading the NIH is able to find ways to continue that trend from a harm reduction standpoint.

[Doctor Scratch]

I think that'a a great point, Dr Scratch. Gadianton's plan was put together as spur of the moment thought experiment, after a couple of minutes of musing. As I said before, I think it's pretty good for all of that. Much better than I--or Markk--or Donald J Trump could have created. The proof of this statement is that Trump's plan to stop fentanyl is so bad that Markk can't explain how how it's going to work. No one can, because Trump's plan, like this thread, is all about misdirection.

That is a great point, Morley. Markk himself says, "there is nothing no one can do about it," while simultaneously insisting that others provide some kind of a plan for what he himself characterizes as an essentially unsolvable problem. And in the midst of all of this, he's practically over the moon about Trump's plan, which is to send troops to the border! All all the while, he's unloading with all kinds of insults and invective.... I really think he owes The Dean an apology.

He writes, "in my opinion it is sad that folks are fighting against solving this because of politics." Then perhaps he'll set the example and show all of us how to knock it off with the "fighting"?

Meanwhile, I can see that Markk has gotten rankled by my appearance on this thread. It may be that I'm guilty of some of the same things that Mr. Milchick was reprimanded for on a recent, memorable episode of Severance--namely, using "too many big words." So, like Mr. Milchick, I will be sure to spend some time reflecting on that issue.

[Markk]

I think that'a a great point, Dr Scratch. Gadianton's plan was put together as spur of the moment thought experiment, after a couple of minutes of musing. As I said before, I think it's pretty good for all of that. Much better than I--or Markk--or Donald J Trump could have created. The proof of this statement is that Trump's plan to stop fentanyl is so bad that Markk can't explain how how it's going to work. No one can, because Trump's plan, like this thread, is all about misdirection.

That is a great point, Morley. Markk himself says, "there is nothing no one can do about it," while simultaneously insisting that others provide some kind of a plan for what he himself characterizes as an essentially unsolvable problem. And in the midst of all of this, he's practically over the moon about Trump's plan, which is to send troops to the border! All all the while, he's unloading with all kinds of insults and invective.... I really think he owes The Dean an apology.

He writes, "in my opinion it is sad that folks are fighting against solving this because of politics." Then perhaps he'll set the example and show all of us how to knock it off with the "fighting"?

Meanwhile, I can see that Markk has gotten rankled by my appearance on this thread. It may be that I'm guilty of some of the same things that Mr. Milchick was reprimanded for on a recent, memorable episode of Severance--namely, using "too many big words." So, like Mr. Milchick, I will be sure to spend some time reflecting on that issue.

LoL, "Rankled"......

I've asked you some of the same questions I asked Gad, crickets. I again give him credit for trying, and I'll just keep asking you for your opinions for a solution, without much confidence for an attempt.

I guess this is the point where you just take what i write out of context, and just talk about me to others. O'well.

[Gadianton]

Gadianton's plan was put together as spur of the moment thought experiment, after a couple of minutes of musing. As I said before, I think it's pretty good for all of that. Much better than I-

Thanks, but I don't think that's true, I think that you or Canpakes and many of our participants could produce an equal or better plan than me in the same time; I'm positive Steuss could do way better.

expects there to be many flaws in Trump’s plan, and that Trump will make mistakes.

Many good points, professor, but this one stood out. Indeed, much effort was to catch me in a technicality where I'd have no leeway to adjust my plan; I must have a document hundreds of pages long to be implemented as-is with no flexibility or I'm cheating. For instance, when I said "everybody has a dealer" the statement was taken over-literally to lock me into a position where if some users actually had multiple sources, then my plan would fail immediately because I assumed everyone had exactly one source.

I also found the objection to my supposed fantasizing about working at a university with Doctor Scratch interesting.

Which has gotten more old:

Me allegedly fantasizing about working at a university with Scratch.
The 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump.
Barack Obama was never the president.
Ukraine started the war with Russia in 2022.

...you get the idea.

[Markk]

Gadianton's plan was put together as spur of the moment thought experiment, after a couple of minutes of musing. As I said before, I think it's pretty good for all of that. Much better than I-

Thanks, but I don't think that's true, I think that you or Canpakes and many of our participants could produce an equal or better plan than me in the same time; I'm positive Steuss could do way better.

expects there to be many flaws in Trump’s plan, and that Trump will make mistakes.

Many good points, professor, but this one stood out. Indeed, much effort was to catch me in a technicality where I'd have no leeway to adjust my plan; I must have a document hundreds of pages long to be implemented as-is with no flexibility or I'm cheating. For instance, when I said "everybody has a dealer" the statement was taken over-literally to lock me into a position where if some users actually had multiple sources, then my plan would fail immediately because I assumed everyone had exactly one source.

I also found the objection to my supposed fantasizing about working at a university with Doctor Scratch interesting.

Which has gotten more old:

Me allegedly fantasizing about working at a university with Scratch.
The 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump.
Barack Obama was never the president.
Ukraine started the war with Russia in 2022.

...you get the idea.

You said everyone has a dealer, in regard to a very specific context of mine, which you fail to mention here. It was in a context of you having a organized group of recruited cartel members, enough for the whole nation, forming a network, and infiltrating themselves in a nation wide drug world, selling your product, and eliminating cartel product.

My response stands... "It is no like these people have a personal dealer. They get drugs on the streets from multiple sources, at different times. By the time it gets to the streets most dealers are addicts that deal to support their habits. There are not a lot of drug free dealers on the streets selling individual hits to strung out people, it is a community of users and sellers if anything at the street level. The dealers in the open air drug markets live in things like tents, are users, and come and go."

I pointed out fairly, that this leaves a huge whole in your plan, and that along with the fact that many if not most dealers on the street are also users, that sell to support their own habits, makes you point, pointless.

Your idea about your recruiting cartel members to infiltrate the drug world, by doing things like going to parties, is so dumb I can't believe you even said it, and it is even more unbelievable that you are choosing to die on that hill.

You should just say " I screwed that one up, it was very sloppy," and laugh.... and move on. Scratch is not going to save you on this one.