Impeachment hearings

[Guest]

If as Commander IN Chief (not and chief), he wanted to know if Americans, even the vice president and his son, were corrupt and skimming off the top taxpayer funds then why didn't he use his own DOJ to investigate?

LOL...go back and read the conversation...cancakes has already stated the why to the question, and where you guys were going with t...his answer was "because there was not enough evidence," while my assertion, and Trump's, was that there is.

Do you have another reason...I have been asking you to actually articulate your argument but yo just parrot the same question over and over..but I understand, that is all go got, is a question with absolutely nothing behind it.

So I am asking you IYO " then why didn't he use his own DOJ to investigate?" I have given my assertion many times. If you have another answer then lets here it. But I would much rather actually did cuss the evidence, that is more than enough in my opinion to warrant an investigation.

Everyone in this thread has made a point about this that seems to have flown above your head, while you just keep typing about all of the evidence against the Bidens and telling us that we're dumb.

So, again, with all of the evidence against the Bidens, why didn't Trump have the DOJ do the investigation? Why go to Zelinsky? Why not go to Barr, and our federal government?

What sense does it make to have an investigation conducted by a president with little to no experience, who was just elected to lead a country with long standing corruption issues when you have the US DOJ with all it's resources and headed by a man you hand picked ? Think man, think.

[_Markk]

There's certainly some questionable nepotism, and I wish those in the Obama admin who voiced concerns regarding optics had been takin more seriously. I also see no reason to not take Ryaboshapka and Lutsenko at their word, nor to doubt the myriad of journalistic and watchdog investigations into the conspiracy theories.

Do really believe he was given millions because his mobster boss thought he could help the company in everyday business?

I believe that they thought that his name, and the help of his consulting firm, would help the company with their stated goals at the time.

Was it worth upwards of $50K a month? To be honest, I don't really think anyone's job justifies that kind of money.

One thing I appreciate about libertarian thought is, why do we give these corrupt nations so much money?

Dunno. There is a long string of corruption with Israel and Netanyahu, yet we are not only still showering them with money, but rewarding them with geopolitical victories galore.

I understand there are many valid reasons for it, mainly for protecting our interests and national security...but it is really foolish in so many ways in that the money never seems to go where it is suppose to, and just feed corruption.

I have a friend who worked a lot in Iraq during the reconstruction phase. Even hearing it firsthand from someone I have no reason to doubt, it's hard to believe the tales of corruption, incompetence and waste.

his is from a book I am reading...

As previously noted in Secret Empires, on April 16, 2014, Devon Archer made a private visit to the White House for a meeting with Joe Biden. The day prior, Burisma had deposited more than $112,000 into a Rosemont bank account marked “C/O Devon Archer.” Six days later, on April 22, it was announced that Archer was joining the board of directors of Burisma. In short succession, on May 13, it was announced that Hunter Biden would join the Burisma board, too. Neither one had any background or experience in the energy sector, or in Ukraine for that matter.76

Schweizer, Peter. Profiles in Corruption (p. 61). Harper. Kindle Edition.

I have expounded on this a bit throughout his post...but given this, and the nature of the companies "owner." That he is on the run and much of the around 20 billion in total foreign add (includes the our share of at least 3.3 billion) is unaccounted for...is their enough evidence in here for an investigation? I see there is more than enough here.

I have not even finished reading and gathering my thoughts yet on Hunters adventures with China, and again Joe heald the check book for our aid there.

Again my simple question is, why doesn't this raise enough concern for the current goverment, both sides of the isle, to ask questions? Do we just blindly sweep it under the rug?

I can only imagine the corruption and waste we don't see. I work with state and local governments all the time, and just on that level legal corruption and privilege is really hard to accept.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Markk,

Given your stated reasons, why didn’t Trump order the DoJ to investigate the Bidens?

- Doc

[_Markk]

Everyone in this thread has made a point about this that seems to have flown above your head, while you just keep typing about all of the evidence against the Bidens and telling us how we're dumb.

So, again, with all of the evidence against the Bidens, why didn't Trump have the DOJ do the investigation? Why go to Zelinsky? Why not go to Barr, and our federal government?

What sense does it make to have an investigation conducted by a president with little to no experience, who was just elected to lead a country with long standing corruption issues when you have the US DOJ with all it's resources and headed by a man you hand picked ? Think man, think.

Is that your point and answer to your question? Is that it? It makes sense because there is evidence. If that is your answer. Trump knows more about govement corruption than most. If I remember right when he was running he said as a business man he basically greased goverment officials to get things done, by lobby, which is organized corruption in my view. How do you think big bushiness works...and you say "think man" to me! LOL

You go to Zelinsky in that he is at the top and has the power to get answers. Why wouldn't Trump, given the piling up of evidence, go to the top?

Do you honestly see no reason for an investigation into Hunters business deals in the Ukraine and China, while his father was in charge of distributing billions to the Ukraine...why? I have answered your question, now please answered mine.

I don't think you are dumb, I even said you were sharp. I believe folks are so polarized by hatred for Trump they can't be the least bit objective...and the bottom line is, to admit that there is enough evidence for a Biden investigation, is to admit Trump was totally justified to as the question...lets just look at the evidence...which folks here refuse to dig in on.

But anyways please answer my question above in bold...

Do you honestly see no reason for an investigation into Hunters business deals in the Ukraine and China, while his father was in charge of distributing billions to the Ukraine...why?

[Guest]

I see no legitimate reason for an investigation to be conducted by Zelinksky when Trump has the US DOJ at his disposal.


I answered your question in one sentence. You have made long post after long post and still not answered mine.

[_honorentheos]

On the one hand, I'm cool with there being investigations across the board into nepotism and grift across party lines. On the other hand, it smacks of the French revolution and I can't imagine it happening in our current political climate in a way that avoids becoming a form of the reign of terror. For Markk, it's almost guaranteed to not happen under a Trump because he isn't going to the guillotine or watch his kids go so don't expect him to kick that off in a meaningful way. Nor would it happen under most Democrats. I suspect it would take a true non billionaire populist or social Democrat to see it happen, and likely as a result of massive civil unrest brought on by inequality.

[_Markk]

Markk,

Given your stated reasons, why didn’t Trump order the DoJ to investigate the Bidens?

- Doc

LOL...Because I stated my reasons when I answered the question in 5 different ways, and opined to both Tish and canpakes when they finally stated their answers to the question you just asked.

There was actually a time when you made sense in your posts doc, and actually tried to inject objectivity into the conversation...but I see whipped man these days, it may be time for you to take a time out and regather your composer...but anyway if not, give me a meme, and more parroting of a question that has been answered many times, or you can actually attempt a relevant post.

Love ya

[_Markk]

I see no legitimate reason for an investigation to be conducted by Zelinksky when Trump has the US DOJ at his disposal.


I answered your question in one sentence. You have made long post after long post and still not answered mine.

LOL...What a cop out...

I totally answered your question, many times in many ways....you just did not like my answer.

You how ever only answered have of my question...you ducked the "why" part.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Markk,

Given your stated reasons, why didn’t Trump order the DoJ to investigate the Bidens?

- Doc

LOL...Because I stated my reasons when I answered the question in 5 different ways, and opined to both Tish and canpakes when they finally stated their answers to the question you just asked.

There was actually a time when you made sense in your posts doc, and actually tried to inject objectivity into the conversation...but I see whipped man these days, it may be time for you to take a time out and regather your composer...but anyway if not, give me a meme, and more parroting of a question that has been answered many times, or you can actually attempt a relevant post.

Love ya

You literally haven't answered the question.

My Lord, this is what talking to Conservatives is like for the most part. It's just an exercise in futility, and their self-deception is so obtuse and thick that, as SS mentioned, they're incapable of seeing their own BS for what it is.

Unbelievable.

- Doc

[_Icarus]

Another 10+ pages wasted on trying to talk to a brick wall who lives in his own world.

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