Election Litigation Status

[Nomomo]

LInk?

[canpakes]

Michigan state legislators agreed to hold a hearing into election irregularities (starts wednesday)while a federal appeals court expedited proceedings to consider Trump’s legal challenge in Pennsylvania. 3rd circuit

Completely overturning both states would still make no difference in the election outcome. It would, however, change the electoral count from something that now stands at what Trump termed a ‘historic landslide’ in 2016.

Trump will have a hard time dealing with losing to Biden in a ‘historic landslide’. And he has to keep the base agitated so that he can keep fleecing them.

[Gunnar]

Man, I really appreciate you keeping us up to speed on this process. I've actually used quite a bit of your material discussing it with others in real life and across the Internet.

- Doc

You're welcome. I'm glad you find it helpful. It's been interesting learning the nitty gritty of how our election system works. I'm glad you find my scribblings helpful.

You can add me to the list of your grateful fans for taking the time to share your legal expertise and knowledge with us! I have always greatly appreciated and respected your contributions.

[Gunnar]

Michigan state legislators agreed to hold a hearing into election irregularities (starts wednesday)while a federal appeals court expedited proceedings to consider Trump’s legal challenge in Pennsylvania. 3rd circuit

If they seriously consider Trump's ridiculous legal challenge to be at all valid, they are either fools or cowards who have succumbed to Trump's bullying and intimidation, or just as corrupt and dishonest as Trump himself. If they actually do overturn the election based on Trump's completely specious claims, they are outright traitors to our democratic republic.

[Gunnar]

Trump Can't Install Himself as President, But His Actual Goal May Be Immunity From Prosecution
Glenn Kirshner may be right. Could this be the real reason Trump is fighting so desperately to avoid conceding the election? Could he really be trying to use conceding as a bargaining chip to be granted immunity from prosecution?

[Chap]

Trump Can't Install Himself as President, But His Actual Goal May Be Immunity From Prosecution
Glenn Kirshner may be right. Could this be the real reason Trump is fighting so desperately to avoid conceding the election? Could he really be trying to use conceding as a bargaining chip to be granted immunity from prosecution?

That is a possible Trump goal (although the idea of Trump, who tends to operate in the transactional now, having subtly crafted goals has a measure of implausibility). But:

(a) I cannot see any way Trump has enough bargaining power to extort immunity from Federal AND State prosecution (even if the latter turned out to be constitutional). He's highly unlikely to be able to overturn Biden's advantage in the electoral college as things now stand. What's he going to do - threaten to nuke Scranton?

(b) It is unlikely that such a bill would pass both houses of Congress, even if the Senate passed it.

[honorentheos]

Michigan state legislators agreed to hold a hearing into election irregularities (starts wednesday)while a federal appeals court expedited proceedings to consider Trump’s legal challenge in Pennsylvania. 3rd circuit

One of the characteristics of our broken democracy I find very distasteful is our rush to judge an action by an institution of democracy in a partisan light.

You seem to have posted this because you view both as favoring your guy. And others have reacted to it in kind

But the thing is, the process of vote counting and certification in Michigan had to conclude BY LAW before any hearings could occur regarding issues with the election and holding said hearing was expected given the claims. It's also expected the results will have no impact on the outcome of the election, and frankly a hearing is valuable in shoring up trust in the election process.

And come on. Res already pointed out the judicial processes and expedited reviews are part of the procedure here.

This is how democracy works. I know people prefer totalitarian governments that mirror their own views and act swiftly and accordingly in line with those views. But really?

[Res Ipsa]

Michigan state legislators agreed to hold a hearing into election irregularities (starts wednesday)while a federal appeals court expedited proceedings to consider Trump’s legal challenge in Pennsylvania. 3rd circuit

If they seriously consider Trump's ridiculous legal challenge to be at all valid, they are either fools or cowards who have succumbed to Trump's bullying and intimidation, or just as corrupt and dishonest as Trump himself. If they actually do overturn the election based on Trump's completely specious claims, they are outright traitors to our democratic republic.

The MI legislature is looking into making improvements in the process for future elections, not trying to change the results of this one. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 390475002/

Basic Appellate procedure: The loser at trial has a right to an appeal in the Court of Appeals. An expedited hearing in election litigation is SOP, given the deadlines involved.

[honorentheos]

Thanks, Res.

[Res Ipsa]

Thanks, Res.

You're welcome. I read the Trump campaign's brief in front of the 3rd Circuit. It's a little odd. It looks like they are trying claim fraud in order to create standing, but not really claiming fraud because there are special pleading requirements for fraud. This is clearly the case they want the Supreme Court to hear, and they want to make sure they can include their best arguments.

They also filed an emergency motion for the 3rd Circuit to (you could have guessed it by now) stop the certification process. Given how short the briefing schedule is (it will be complete today), I don't think the court will do that.