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[Whiskey]

panny, you are so goddamn dishonest. I may someday arrive at the point of pity or empathy, but today, nah. I just think you are damned stupid.

You forgot this part you dishonest twat:

See that part, panny? See that? The part where you make a comment, again, about me? See that? Well, you failed to acknowledge that your comment was obviously allowed in Paradise and my responses were moved to prison. No matter how polite my response was - yours stayed, mine got moderated as part of the trap.

I moved our comments out of the thread into our own split.

But you kept trying to respond to that thread by adding your comments into the original thread.

‘Politely’ or not, you kept spamming the main thread.

As for your last sentence, it looks like you’re trying to pull a fast one on Jersey Girl. Here’s the post you added, along with the next one … which is from you:

…..…

You have a response right there, in the main thread, right after mine … which doesn’t quite jive with what you’re saying here.

So panny, just grow the “F” up. If you want to troll, troll. If you want to moderate, moderate. But ferfucksakes, get honest for once. Just once.

It would seem that the person with the ‘honesty’ issue is the fellow that you see in your mirror.

OMFG. JFC.

panny, just damned stop. You really need to stop. You are lying so goddamn bad and digging a hole. I like watching you fail, don't get me wrong. But goddamn. You are too stupid to try and explain your way out of this. Take Jersey Girl's advice and STFU and get the “F” out of moderating your own threads.

Check the timestamps on your pictures/posts, you dummy. In between those posts, you blasted a crap ton of posts and kept your trolling insults in place. Good lord. You damned idiot. Try to not make yourself look dumber. You wouldn't have created this mess if you weren't trolling, baiting, spamming, lying, REPORTING AND MODERATING your own threads. Jesus. Just stop, you dummy.

[canpakes]

cp,

So what I think you're saying is that that particular post was somehow factored into a suspension/temp ban ruling when indeed by your description, cp, it was actually a non-factor by virtue of the fact that it went unreported by other posters and also stood without objection by the recipient (yours truly) who chose to engage it but was factored in anyway because...I have no blessed clue why.

I know where Whiskey began to repeat himself. I've been following the thread the whole entire time though I didn't read every one of his posts until I saw the ban announcement here which I why I asked about the rule violation.

What I did see from with the first post Whiskey made when he entered thread was Morely personally attacking him. He was personally attacked more than once If I recall correctly and long before he began repeating himself. Hound was also personally attacked. These presumably non reported offenses were all left to stand.

And yet the “F” every poster that Whiskey made to me was considered in the suspension/temp ban ruling.

Bear with me here I'm going some place and choosing to do it in full public view.

What the interaction between yourself and Whiskey looked like to me was non-stop call and response, back and forth, repeated either--insulting, baiting, egging on whatever you'd like to call it, try a two-person shitnado situation.

Suddenly BOOM he's jettisoned for 2 weeks via your own announcement, cp.

The original thread was split out mainly because it went off topic on account of the two-person shitnado you guys were whipping up. And yet, the personal attacks against Whiskey and Hound have been left to remain.

The highlighted sentence is key. ”The original thread was split out mainly because it went off topic on account of the two-person shitnado you guys were whipping up”.

If I was making the split to move insults, most of the thread would have moved into Prison. : D

I don’t tend to proactively micromanage threads without reports existing as that is how Shades operates (which is also something that the Hound account always mentions as a problem).

When Whiskey continued to try to load the thread with off-topic comments after the split, that’s when the warning was issued. When the response was to immediately repeat the spamming behavior, that’s when the timeout was imposed.

If Whiskey is racking up offenses presumably without report will those be relocated to Prison?

Use of the ‘c word’ brought an in-place edit, a warning, and the first time out. Inserting additional content into quoted material brought a warning. Overuse of profanity hasn’t generated a response from me but Shades has edited at least one of Whiskey’s posts in the past week.

If I felt a need to move those to Prison, they’d be there already.

You're not going to like this, cp but this right here: Suddenly BOOM he's jettisoned for 2 weeks via your own announcement, cp. to a witness to the interaction gives the appearance of personal bias on the part of a moderator.

Given both Whiskey’s and Hound’s nonstop tirades and attempts to poke at the rules and norms over the course of months there could be a perception that I’ll be biased. Given the actual responses on my part, the perception drops.

Looking at this event in particular, note that the time between when I created the split and when the warning was issued is several days. Whiskey was clearly aware of the reason for the split (in fact mentions it in a split post) so it’s not reasonable to assume that he had no idea of what he was doing over several more days.

As a moderator I maintained a personal policy of never taking mod action on a thread in which I was a participant. Never did it. Not once, not ever. Why? To avoid the appearance of personal bias. Mull that over and see if it's something you guys might want to consider developing within the team.

That’s generally a sound approach. Unfortunately, both Xeno and Shades may be unavailable for days.

Back to Whiskey. BOOM he's jettisoned and BOOM just as quickly he's back. The thread is split and all is right with the world.

I knew that the odds were better than even that Shades would reverse the timeout. But it accomplished several things, one of which was allow a cooling off period for the thread spamming.

Was there a reason the thread wasn't split in the first place?

You aren't obligated to answer that.

Per comments already added above: it was split off. The behavior continued.

[canpakes]

OMFG. JFC.

panny, just damned stop. You really need to stop. You are lying so goddamn bad and digging a hole. I like watching you fail, don't get me wrong. But goddamn. You are too stupid to try and explain your way out of this. Take Jersey Girl's advice and STFU and get the “F” out of moderating your own threads.

Check the timestamps on your pictures/posts, you dummy. In between those posts, you blasted a crap ton of posts and kept your trolling insults in place. Good lord. You damned idiot. Try to not make yourself look dumber. You wouldn't have created this mess if you weren't trolling, baiting, spamming, lying, REPORTING AND MODERATING your own threads. Jesus. Just stop, you dummy.

Whiskey, I can’t alter time. The timestamps are what they are.

You can stomp your feet and accuse others of lying all that you want in your attempts to cover for your own behavior, but you can’t change time any more so than I can, either, and those timestamps support my details. They don’t support your excuses.

[Whiskey]

cp,

So what I think you're saying is that that particular post was somehow factored into a suspension/temp ban ruling when indeed by your description, cp, it was actually a non-factor by virtue of the fact that it went unreported by other posters and also stood without objection by the recipient (yours truly) who chose to engage it but was factored in anyway because...I have no blessed clue why.

I know where Whiskey began to repeat himself. I've been following the thread the whole entire time though I didn't read every one of his posts until I saw the ban announcement here which I why I asked about the rule violation.

What I did see from with the first post Whiskey made when he entered thread was Morely personally attacking him. He was personally attacked more than once If I recall correctly and long before he began repeating himself. Hound was also personally attacked. These presumably non reported offenses were all left to stand.

And yet the “F” every poster that Whiskey made to me was considered in the suspension/temp ban ruling.

Bear with me here I'm going some place and choosing to do it in full public view.

What the interaction between yourself and Whiskey looked like to me was non-stop call and response, back and forth, repeated either--insulting, baiting, egging on whatever you'd like to call it, try a two-person shitnado situation.

Suddenly BOOM he's jettisoned for 2 weeks via your own announcement, cp.

The original thread was split out mainly because it went off topic on account of the two-person shitnado you guys were whipping up. And yet, the personal attacks against Whiskey and Hound have been left to remain.

The highlighted sentence is key. ”The original thread was split out mainly because it went off topic on account of the two-person shitnado you guys were whipping up”.

If I was making the split to move insults, most of the thread would have moved into Prison. : D

I don’t tend to proactively micromanage threads without reports existing as that is how Shades operates (which is also something that the Hound account always mentions as a problem).

When Whiskey continued to try to load the thread with off-topic comments after the split, that’s when the warning was issued. When the response was to immediately repeat the spamming behavior, that’s when the timeout was imposed.

If Whiskey is racking up offenses presumably without report will those be relocated to Prison?

Use of the ‘c word’ brought an in-place edit, a warning, and the first time out. Inserting additional content brought a warning. Overuse of profanity hasn’t generated a response from me but Shades has edited at least one of Whiskey’s posts in the past week.

If I felt a need to move those to Prison, they’d be there already.

You're not going to like this, cp but this right here: Suddenly BOOM he's jettisoned for 2 weeks via your own announcement, cp. to a witness to the interaction gives the appearance of personal bias on the part of a moderator.

Given both Whiskey’s and Hound’s nonstop tirades and attempts to poke at the rules and norms over the course of months there could be a perception that I’ll be biased. Given the actual responses on my part, the perception drops.

Looking at this event in particular, note that the time between when I created the split and when the warning was issued is several days. Whiskey was clearly aware of the reason for the split (in fact mentions it in a split post) so it’s not reasonable to assume that he had no idea of what he was doing over several more days.

As a moderator I maintained a personal policy of never taking mod action on a thread in which I was a participant. Never did it. Not once, not ever. Why? To avoid the appearance of personal bias. Mull that over and see if it's something you guys might want to consider developing within the team.

That’s generally a sound approach. Unfortunately, both Xeno and Shades may be unavailable for days.

Back to Whiskey. BOOM he's jettisoned and BOOM just as quickly he's back. The thread is split and all is right with the world.

I knew that the odds were better than even that Shades would reverse the timeout. But it accomplished several things, one of which was allow a cooling off period for the thread spamming.

Was there a reason the thread wasn't split in the first place?

You aren't obligated to answer that.

Per comments already added above: it was split off. The behavior continued.

Too much horse crap for words. Way too much. And too many lies. Your credibility is sinking.

[canpakes]

Well, as usual, in this thread, he changed one of my quotes but ALSO said that the post that he changed, and reposted, was the reason for the ban.

No post of yours has ever been changed by me.

The only person who has tried to modify another person’s quote has been you, and you were caught and warned.

You seem to forget that all mod activities are logged. Lying about these sorts of things isn’t helping you.

[canpakes]

Too much horse crap for words. Way too much. And too many lies. Your credibility is sinking.

And that’s a great way of saying that you have no rebuttal that honestly contradicts what I’ve written.

[Whiskey]

OMFG. JFC.

panny, just damned stop. You really need to stop. You are lying so goddamn bad and digging a hole. I like watching you fail, don't get me wrong. But goddamn. You are too stupid to try and explain your way out of this. Take Jersey Girl's advice and STFU and get the “F” out of moderating your own threads.

Check the timestamps on your pictures/posts, you dummy. In between those posts, you blasted a crap ton of posts and kept your trolling insults in place. Good lord. You damned idiot. Try to not make yourself look dumber. You wouldn't have created this mess if you weren't trolling, baiting, spamming, lying, REPORTING AND MODERATING your own threads. Jesus. Just stop, you dummy.

Whiskey, I can’t alter time. The timestamps are what they are.

You can stomp your feet and accuse others of lying all that you want in your attempts to cover for your own behavior, but you can’t change time any more so than I can, either, and those timestamps support my details. They don’t support your excuses.

I have no excuses. I just have reality. You trolled. You spammed. You banned. You acted like a bitch. And now you have another excuse for not following Jersey Girl's advice. The only valid excuse is that you are a damned moron.

"oh, I had to moderate the threads I trolled and spammed and loaded with personal insults because if I didn't, then it could have been days without banning someone......" Christafuckingmighty, idiot. Just damned stop. LISTEN TO JERSEY GIRL YOU STUPID “F”!!!

[Whiskey]

Too much horse crap for words. Way too much. And too many lies. Your credibility is sinking.

And that’s a great way of saying that you have no rebuttal that honestly contradicts what I’ve written.

Actually, it is not. And this is part of your stupidity problem. You make conclusions not based on facts and believe the things you imagine to be damned true. There is a pattern.

[canpakes]

Whiskey, I can’t alter time. The timestamps are what they are.

You can stomp your feet and accuse others of lying all that you want in your attempts to cover for your own behavior, but you can’t change time any more so than I can, either, and those timestamps support my details. They don’t support your excuses.

I have no excuses. I just have reality. You trolled. You spammed. You banned. You acted like a bitch. And now you have another excuse for not following Jersey Girl's advice. The only valid excuse is that you are a damned moron.

"oh, I had to moderate the threads I trolled and spammed and loaded with personal insults because if I didn't, then it could have been days without banning someone......" Christafuckingmighty, idiot. Just damned stop. LISTEN TO JERSEY GIRL YOU STUPID “F”!!!

Hey there, out-of-control fellow. I’m having a conversation with Jersey Girl. I value her input. I’m not injured by her opinion if she disagrees with what my actions were, and I don’t have a problem explaining why I took those actions.

I’m sorry (actually, I’m not) that you can’t control this interaction between us, but it’s just not an interaction that you can control. Find a way to deal with that reality.

(Jersey Girl, this reaction of Whiskey’s - and a number of his other last few posts - speaks to just who has been trying to ‘provoke’ who, lol)

[Whiskey]

I have no excuses. I just have reality. You trolled. You spammed. You banned. You acted like a bitch. And now you have another excuse for not following Jersey Girl's advice. The only valid excuse is that you are a damned moron.

"oh, I had to moderate the threads I trolled and spammed and loaded with personal insults because if I didn't, then it could have been days without banning someone......" Christafuckingmighty, idiot. Just damned stop. LISTEN TO JERSEY GIRL YOU STUPID “F”!!!

Hey there, out-of-control fellow. I’m having a conversation with Jersey Girl. I value her input. I’m not injured by her opinion if she disagrees with what my actions were, and I don’t have a problem explaining why I took those actions.

I’m sorry (actually, I’m not) that you can’t control this interaction between us, but it’s just not an interaction that you can control. Find a way to deal with that reality.

(Jersey Girl, this reaction of Whiskey’s - and a number of his other last few posts - speaks to just who has been trying to ‘provoke’ who, lol)

See, panny. You banned me for something that YOU did. Many people have pointed that out to you. And you don't, damned, listen. You just make crap up and lie. And the fact that you are lying to Jersey Girl, doesn't prevent me from calling it out. Take it offline if you want it offline.

I understand why you tried again to moderate the profanity thread, brother panny. The still small voice tells you that you can lie and insult anyone you want for any reason, but if someone tells you to “F” off, that is worse. It is not. It is the right thing to do.