Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: Soooo... Illegals who haven't taken an oath of citizenship or have allegiance to a foreign government are different how?
- Doc
Yep, I'd like to see someone attempt to explain this as well. It came up on a talk show I was watching and they left the issue hanging without asking the obvious question that you just posed.
The only thing I can possibly think of is that illegal aliens who arrive in this country seeking amnesty, are then subject to US jurisdiction by virtue of that very appeal so their children born on US soil are then granted birthright citizenship.
Don't ask me what I just stated. It made sense while it was coming out of my head and through the keyboard.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Soooo... Illegals who haven't taken an oath of citizenship or have allegiance to a foreign government are different how?
- Doc
Because if you argued that they weren't subject to the jurisdiction of the US you technically would have no grounds for deportation. You can't both subject them to your laws and suggest they aren't subject to your jurisdiction. This is why diplomats have immunity.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
Xenophon wrote:Because if you argued that they weren't subject to the jurisdiction of the US you technically would have no grounds for deportation. You can't both subject them to your laws and suggest they aren't subject to your jurisdiction. This is why diplomats have immunity.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Soooo... Illegals who haven't taken an oath of citizenship or have allegiance to a foreign government are different how?
- Doc
Because if you argued that they weren't subject to the jurisdiction of the US you technically would have no grounds for deportation. You can't both subject them to your laws and suggest they aren't subject to your jurisdiction. This is why diplomats have immunity.
I suppose you could argue that, but you would lose. You might as well say foreign combatants or a foreign government can set a base up on our soil, using your example above, but we have no right to deport them.
That's just silly season reasoning.
- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Soooo... Illegals who haven't taken an oath of citizenship or have allegiance to a foreign government are different how?
- Doc
Because if you argued that they weren't subject to the jurisdiction of the US you technically would have no grounds for deportation. You can't both subject them to your laws and suggest they aren't subject to your jurisdiction. This is why diplomats have immunity.
No, that's BS. You're wrong. I'm right.
It's because diplomats are already citizens of other countries, owe their allegiance to those other countries and have no intentions of applying for US citizenship since they are essentially visitors to this country, where illegal aliens are coming across our borders seeking asylum with every intention of living here and applying for US citizenship. Or some crap like that.
You're wrong. I'm right.
How'd I do?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I suppose you could argue that, but you would lose. You might as well say foreign combatants or a foreign government can set a base up on our soil, using your example above, but we have no right to deport them.
That's just silly season reasoning.
- Doc
Except we hold foreign visitors (that aren't diplomats) as subject to our jurisdiction... this allows us to ask them to leave. Perhaps I'm not explaining it clearly but your suggestion that illegal immigrants aren't subject to our laws sets up your above scenario, not mine. I also think providing the additional complexity of a military invasion is subject to a whole bunch of other implications. Are we really suggesting that an illegal immigrant and the nation of Canada invading with their military are similar situations?
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
Xenophon wrote:Except we hold foreign visitors (that aren't diplomats) as subject to our jurisdiction... this allows us to ask them to leave.
That's crap reasoning, Xeno. We also expel diplomats from the US.
But we aren't just talking about expelling them, we hold illegal immigrants to all laws; murder, speeding, drug possession, whatever; something we don't do for diplomats.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
