Climate Change

[Gadianton]

let’s burn all the oil
It will cause problems later
but we’ll be dead then
.

that's a good poem. Regular people are okay with letting their grandkids suffer. We need to patiently listen to them vent. And vent some more. And then vent, and vent, and vent.

[Gunnar]

The science is interesting. It is credible. It deserves debate and consideration.

Nothing else you said in that last post makes a lick of sense or has any credibility at all except that. That is basically what we all are trying to convince you of! So why do you seem so hell bent on ridiculing any and all proposed solutions and actions to address and ameliorate the looming problems and potential crises likely to result from unabated anthropogenic global warming? We are not the ones burying our heads in the sand to avoid seeing the reality! Do you think it is stupid to encourage greater energy efficiency, less polluting and more sustainable green technologies that also have incredible potential for lucrative entrepreneurial opportunities and jobs creation? Who are the real luddites and bigots here? Those who favor this kind of innovation, or those who seem fundamentally opposed to it at all costs?

[Gunnar]

let’s burn all the oil
It will cause problems later
but we’ll be dead then
.

that's a good poem. Regular people are okay with letting their grandkids suffer. We need to patiently listen to them vent. And vent some more. And then vent, and vent, and vent.

That really seems to be the prevailing attitude of the conservatives nowadays regarding what is happening before their very eyes due to climate change and pollution.

[Gunnar]

What's your problem?

At the moment, you.

I think I have my daily fill of Chap engagement for the day. I'm willing to start fresh tomorrow, if you're interested. If not, that's fine too.

In other words, you know you can't come even close to refuting his arguments or credibility, so you'll just ignore him and imply that Chap is the irrational one.

Or worse yet, you seem to be implying that the very idea of supporting anything with hard scientific evidence is somehow irrational or irrelevant.

[canpakes]

Just a roofer and an alcoholic and a duck guy telling you to sit down and listen to real people with real lives and real reasons to be different than you.

Imagine if the roofer and the alcoholic and the duck guy actually said something other than “listen to real people” who aren’t here and apparently have nothing to say about the issue except that we should listen to whatever they won’t talk about. : )

What do the roofer and the alcoholic and the duck guy want to tell us about the sacrifices they keep mentioning that they fear they’ll have to make if the USA adopts some practical climate change mitigation strategies?

The science is interesting. It is credible. It deserves debate and consideration.

Well, it’s a good thing that at least the crazy so-called progressives on this board are capable of doing so. I’m not seeing anything from anyone else.

[canpakes]

let’s burn all the oil
It will cause problems later
but we’ll be dead then
.

that's a good poem. Regular people are okay with letting their grandkids suffer. We need to patiently listen to them vent. And vent some more. And then vent, and vent, and vent.

climate change is not
a real thing said the guy who
cannot tell you why

[Gadianton]

The reality is that solutions require consensus and your insults stop that

My insults are stopping people from saving their grandkids?

just a regular guy;
grandkids in danger
truck is idling.

[Gunnar]

I have a patent application in my name that is a solution for energy issues. I said it here before, I was an energy analyst and was highly ranked in the country in reputable publications.

So what do you think we are disagreeing about? Do you deny that there are a lot people who, irrationally reject the very idea of potentially dangerous, anthropomorphic climate change or that mankind needs to do something about it? Do you deny that the fossil fuel industry has spent an enormous amount of money and time on spreading deliberate, self-serving misinformation to prevent any effective measures to mitigate the problem or reduce our dependence on fossil fuels? Should we make no effort at all to debunk that misinformation?

[canpakes]

Read what I said. Insults like yours, baseless and bigoted, prevent consensus which is often needed for solutions to many things.

There’s a problem. There can’t be a consensus between two people when one of them offers nothing.

You’ve said virtually nothing in this entire thread about climate change and the science behind it other than to berate folks who post information or opinions about it.

… they just want to pick their kids up from school without your stupid crap and insults making that impossible.

I don’t think that anyone has demanded to make this impossible, and I know that you won’t challenge that conclusion.

[Atlanticmike]

This is total frickin bullcrap! And it shows that you jumped from the Mormon cult think, straight into PROGRESSIVE cult think, congratulations!! Most people I know know, no matter party affiliation, want to help keep the earth clean and livable for generations to come. But of course, the PROGRESSIVE cult thinks they are the only group that can help us solve our climate problems and anyone who opposes them and their wacky views needs to be demeaned and ridiculed. I don't remember exactly when, but sometime in the mid 80s I remember Ted Danson being interviewed on TV and he said 99% of all scientist agree that global cooling will make our oceans disappear in 20 years, for some reason that interview has stuck with me . Global cooling was big in the 70s, 80s, we also had people saying acid rain was going to kill everything. Then it was the hole in the ozone. Then global warming. Now it's the all-encompassing phrase "" climate change"" you are latched on and suckin the titty of of your PROGRESSIVE prophets and I'm starting to believe you enjoy the constant flow of disinformation you keep gulping down. Wake up!! You're in a cult!

There is no "Progressive Cult Think" beyond simple rational human beings logically deciding what's best for human society at large. Your loyalty to the actual cult, Right Wing Conservatism, is what triggers this wrong-headed, and ironic defensive reaction to scientific facts. For you they can't be good if they in some way forward a "progressive agenda." You know, like saving human lives.

You are engaged in idiotic hyperbole and beating straw men arguments because that's what people do when they have no facts on their side and they belong to a cult. Conservatism in America rests on the underlying premise of "What's good for me and me alone, and I don't want change."

This is why people detached from society in rural areas tend to be Republican, or Republicans in metro areas aspire to move out to the boonies at some point. They don't want progress or change. They want things the way they are. They want to be left alone. They want to live in denial about anything that challenges what they know by "faith" to be true. They hate any efforts to make America more inclusive, which is why they're so invested in these imaginary culture wars. (i.e. the imaginary war on Christmas, the Great Replacement theory, etc) Abortion was believed to be wrong in all cases 200 years ago because we had an infantile understanding of the development of the human body and so we attributed much of it to the invisible man in the sky and called anyone who did it a murderer. It isn't a coincidence Republicans have an antipathy towards science and progress, because it regularly calls on us to reevaluate what we thought we know and to change accordingly. In most cases in challenges their preconceived beliefs based on their Religion. Republicans don't like change. The ones I know who never come to the city think we're still living in the 1800's when only a few million people were spread out across the entire countryside. Obama had it right when he alluded to scared people who cling to their guns and religion. Back in the 18th-19th centuries there was plenty of free land and free resources to survive off the land if you wanted to. That's not possible today with a country of more than 330 million people most of whom are consolidated in large metropolitan areas. We are changing as a society in that we are becoming more and more diverse and consolidated and it is driving Republicans absolutely insane.

So now you're attacking people who live in rural areas?? You might be one of the dumbest people I've ever had the pleasure to talk to. Really! I'm serious! You sound like a scared little puppy that barks at anything that it hasn't experienced yet. Where do you live, on the moon? For damn sake you are an idiot. [Edited language inappropriate for forum -- RI]