Trump's Beautiful Wall

[_moksha]

Hannity says that if Trump gives into reopening the government it would be the end to his Presidency. If not, it would be the end to the United States. I think I know which one Subgenius and Ajax would prefer.

[Guest]

it would also cut off access to natural habitat for people and fauna in the area. I hear we share a major river system with Mexico as a substantial part of our border, but that might be a rumor.

Yep, the rio along Texas is definitely a hot tourist destination - for people...the "fauna" never much cared for playing in the water (perhaps another thread on the whole access for fauna notion?).

Another thread? It’s as if you were realizing in real time how ignorant your comment is, and wanted to deflect any more thought about it. Sometimes I wonder how you can stand to keep portraying yourself, day after day, as a liar or a fool.

From a resource that school kids could comprehend, so you should be able to read through it:

Thousands of years of geographic change and evolutionary adaptation have resulted in the creation of numerous and distinct plant and animal communities in the four most southern counties of Texas. Many of these are found in and protected by the Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge.

The Ramaderos biotic community sits at the western edge of the refuge. This arid landscape is cut by deep arroyos and small tributaries that extend for miles from the Rio Grande. Wildlife travels unimpeded down the humid corridors of lush riparian vegetation, particularly during times of drought and extreme heat. The biota of these natural drainages is a result of higher moisture and deeper soils. A tree typically foraged upon by white-tailed deer and cattle, the seemingly unobtrusive guayacan, has a root system that plant ecologists speculate may endure for about 1,000 years.

At the eastern edge of the refuge, impaled insects and small rodents adorn the blades of large, 100-year-old yuccas called Spanish daggers, compliments of a migratory bird, the loggerhead shrike. The irony of this macabre scene is not lost on the people who visit Palmito Ranch, site of the last land battle of the Civil War and a refuge tract that falls within the Clay Loma/Wind Tidal Flats. This biotic community is interspersed with saline flats, marshes, shallow bays, and unique dunes of wind-blown clay known as lomas. Following the last few miles of the Rio Grande, this refuge tract links coastal and river corridors and is staging ground for the endangered peregrine falcon. It is also habitat for 17 other federally listed threatened and endangered species, including the Kemp’s ridley sea turtle.

A species of great concern to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the ocelot, an endangered cat whose numbers have dwindled to fewer than 50 in the United States. The Mid-Delta Thorn Forest, a biotic community that once covered much of the delta, is a hunting ground for this nocturnal species. Texas ebony, Granjeno and colima are but a few of the trees and shrubs that house an array of small mammals and birds, prey for the ocelot. Typified in remnant strips along fence rows, canals and ditch banks, the diminished thorn forest habitat forces the solitary ocelot to cross open fields and risk the dangers of vehicular traffic and predators.

Before dams and water control structures significantly reduced the flow of the Rio Grande, periodic floods cut shifting channels into the delta creating crescent-shaped oxbows, referred to in the Valley as “resacas.” Resacas, complemented by dense bottomland hardwood forest, are characteristic of the Mid-Valley Riparian Woodlands biotic community. This habitat is particularly favored by birds such as chachalacas and green jays, as well as another endangered and elusive cat, the jaguarundi. Draping Spanish moss and another epiphytic bromeliad, the rare Bailey’s ball moss, cling to cedar elm and Texas ebony. Found throughout the delta, brush-bordered resacas typical of this community attract many of the neotropical migrants and waterfowl that funnel through the Valley on their way to and from Central and South America.

On the edge of the riparian woodlands is a unique and severely diminished biotic community of sabal palms. Originally spanning more than 40,000 acres, the remaining palms are restricted to about 50 acres. They comprise one of the few strongholds for one of the rarest snakes in the U.S., the speckled racer. The southern yellow bat, a rare, year-round resident, roosts within the fronds of the remaining sabal palms that grow along the southernmost bend of the Rio Grande. The more than 900 species of beetles found within the small grove represents only a fraction of the insect community that aids plant pollination and other essential ecological functions.

The Woodland Potholes and Basins ecosystem contains numerous freshwater playa lakes and three hyper-saline lakes. Deep ruts, remnant tracks of oxcarts used by Spanish colonists to haul mined salt, can still be seen at the 530 acre salt lake, La Sal del Rey or “the King’s salt.” Black-necked stilts, black skimmers, and least and gull-billed terns can be found nesting along the shorelines of the salt lakes. The salty waters support brine shrimp and a few species of salt-tolerant water insects. Set in a low woodlands of honey mesquite, prickly pear, and lote bush, the freshwater potholes and playa lakes serve as favorite roosting and feeding areas for migrating geese, waterfowl, shorebirds, and sandhill cranes. Vegetated corridors will eventually connect this tract to the river.

If you want to read more about an ecosystem that exists despite your weird partisan-driven insistence that it doesn’t, then here’s a couple of hundred pages worth of information that would further show that you should ditch your act, and instead make an attempt to read up on how things actually work in the world:

https://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs/rmrs_p007.pdf

https://www.cerc.usgs.gov/pubs/center/p ... grande.pdf

https://www.americanforests.org/our-wor ... de-valley/

The idea that the wall can realistically be funded with a gofundme raiser is so utterly ludicrous that it's almost sad that you think it's legitimate.

... ignorance of the political meaning behind this GoFundMe is not really in your wheelhouse, so we got ya.

Tell us about all of that ‘political meaning’. So far, what the fund has collected amounts to 25 cents donated by every Trump voter in the 2016 election. The ‘meaning’ seems to be that Trumpsters love the empty and useless symbology but have no real desire to put their money where their mouths are.

[_canpakes]

No, but expressions of political naïvété as an adult shouldn't go unnoticed or unmocked.

Says the moron who thinks Trump is getting Mexico to pay for the wall.

Right. Because calling out Trump’s obvious BS is more naïve then believing it, according to subs.

Again, I don’t know why he insists on continually and purposefully portraying himself as a liar, or a fool.

[_Maksutov]

Right. Because calling out Trump’s obvious BS is more naïve then believing it, according to subs.

Again, I don’t know why he insists on continually and purposefully portraying himself as a liar, or a fool.

Stalin valued useful idiots. So does Putin.

[_MeDotOrg]

If Mexico is paying for the wall why is the government shut down?

Because we have to show China that they need us more than we need them by borrowing money from them to fund the spending bill in order to pay for the wall that Mexico is paying for by making American citizens pay more for goods.

#winning

If Kellyanne Conway ever decides to leave, I think you do an excellent job of explaining the administration's position.

[_subgenius]

Another thread? It’s as if you were realizing in real time how ignorant your comment is, and wanted to deflect any more thought about it. Sometimes I wonder how you can stand to keep portraying yourself, day after day, as a liar or a fool.

From a resource that school kids could comprehend, so you should be able to read through it:

Thousands of years of geographic change and evolutionary adaptation have resulted in the creation of numerous and distinct plant and animal communities in the four most southern counties of Texas. Many of these are found in and protected by the Lower Rio Grande Valley National Wildlife Refuge.

The Ramaderos biotic community sits at the western edge of the refuge. This arid landscape is cut by deep arroyos and small tributaries that extend for miles from the Rio Grande. Wildlife travels unimpeded down the humid corridors of lush riparian vegetation, particularly during times of drought and extreme heat. The biota of these natural drainages is a result of higher moisture and deeper soils. A tree typically foraged upon by white-tailed deer and cattle, the seemingly unobtrusive guayacan, has a root system that plant ecologists speculate may endure for about 1,000 years.

At the eastern edge of the refuge, impaled insects and small rodents adorn the blades of large, 100-year-old yuccas called Spanish daggers, compliments of a migratory bird, the loggerhead shrike. The irony of this macabre scene is not lost on the people who visit Palmito Ranch, site of the last land battle of the Civil War and a refuge tract that falls within the Clay Loma/Wind Tidal Flats. This biotic community is interspersed with saline flats, marshes, shallow bays, and unique dunes of wind-blown clay known as lomas. Following the last few miles of the Rio Grande, this refuge tract links coastal and river corridors and is staging ground for the endangered peregrine falcon. It is also habitat for 17 other federally listed threatened and endangered species, including the Kemp’s ridley sea turtle.

A species of great concern to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is the ocelot, an endangered cat whose numbers have dwindled to fewer than 50 in the United States. The Mid-Delta Thorn Forest, a biotic community that once covered much of the delta, is a hunting ground for this nocturnal species. Texas ebony, Granjeno and colima are but a few of the trees and shrubs that house an array of small mammals and birds, prey for the ocelot. Typified in remnant strips along fence rows, canals and ditch banks, the diminished thorn forest habitat forces the solitary ocelot to cross open fields and risk the dangers of vehicular traffic and predators.

Before dams and water control structures significantly reduced the flow of the Rio Grande, periodic floods cut shifting channels into the delta creating crescent-shaped oxbows, referred to in the Valley as “resacas.” Resacas, complemented by dense bottomland hardwood forest, are characteristic of the Mid-Valley Riparian Woodlands biotic community. This habitat is particularly favored by birds such as chachalacas and green jays, as well as another endangered and elusive cat, the jaguarundi. Draping Spanish moss and another epiphytic bromeliad, the rare Bailey’s ball moss, cling to cedar elm and Texas ebony. Found throughout the delta, brush-bordered resacas typical of this community attract many of the neotropical migrants and waterfowl that funnel through the Valley on their way to and from Central and South America.

On the edge of the riparian woodlands is a unique and severely diminished biotic community of sabal palms. Originally spanning more than 40,000 acres, the remaining palms are restricted to about 50 acres. They comprise one of the few strongholds for one of the rarest snakes in the U.S., the speckled racer. The southern yellow bat, a rare, year-round resident, roosts within the fronds of the remaining sabal palms that grow along the southernmost bend of the Rio Grande. The more than 900 species of beetles found within the small grove represents only a fraction of the insect community that aids plant pollination and other essential ecological functions.

The Woodland Potholes and Basins ecosystem contains numerous freshwater playa lakes and three hyper-saline lakes. Deep ruts, remnant tracks of oxcarts used by Spanish colonists to haul mined salt, can still be seen at the 530 acre salt lake, La Sal del Rey or “the King’s salt.” Black-necked stilts, black skimmers, and least and gull-billed terns can be found nesting along the shorelines of the salt lakes. The salty waters support brine shrimp and a few species of salt-tolerant water insects. Set in a low woodlands of honey mesquite, prickly pear, and lote bush, the freshwater potholes and playa lakes serve as favorite roosting and feeding areas for migrating geese, waterfowl, shorebirds, and sandhill cranes. Vegetated corridors will eventually connect this tract to the river.

If you want to read more about an ecosystem that exists despite your weird partisan-driven insistence that it doesn’t, then here’s a couple of hundred pages worth of information that would further show that you should ditch your act, and instead make an attempt to read up on how things actually work in the world:

https://www.fs.fed.us/rm/pubs/rmrs_p007.pdf

https://www.cerc.usgs.gov/pubs/center/p ... grande.pdf

https://www.americanforests.org/our-wor ... de-valley/

To heck with brevity amiright?
yet for all your tedious and long winded cut/paste...ya didn't really clarify:
" ...cut off access to natural habitat for fauna in the area"
but hey, i get yar desire to go down rabbit holes with font colors and how illegal immigrants are good for trans river pollination.
mmm that's some good ecosystem.

[_canpakes]

To heck with brevity amiright?
yet for all your tedious and long winded cut/paste...ya didn't really clarify:
" ...cut off access to natural habitat for fauna in the area"
but hey, i get yar desire to go down rabbit holes with font colors and how illegal immigrants are good for trans river pollination.
mmm that's some good ecosystem.

It took you two days to read through that post and type your sloppy reply. I'm hardly surprised that you couldn't delve into any additional materials to discover the proof of something that you claim doesn't exist.

Your desire to remain willfully ignorant of certain realities does not make them go away. ; )

[_honorentheos]

To heck with brevity amiright?
yet for all your tedious and long winded cut/paste...ya didn't really clarify:
" ...cut off access to natural habitat for fauna in the area"
but hey, i get yar desire to go down rabbit holes with font colors and how illegal immigrants are good for trans river pollination.
mmm that's some good ecosystem.

Let's see. You either believe a) wildlife migration is unimportant so there is little or no negative consequences for interrupting it, or b) it is already constrained at the US-Mexico border so adding a physical barrier like a wall wouldn't have an impact. Meaning in subbie world, wildlife either respects international borders or a river like the Rio Grande acts like a wildlife Berlin Wall. Who knows what geography class in subbie world makes of the miles of open and/or mountainous desert that isn't the Rio Grande along the border.

It seems you are confusing ignorance and narrow-mindedness for a virtue you imagine to be brevity.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

► Democrats have offered money for border security. In fact not more than a few days ago they offered 1.3 billion for border security.

► Democrats have offered the President an alternative. We can reopen government with a continuing resolution on DHS so we can continue negotiating on border security.

► He said himself he will own the shutdown, and that he is still proud of shutting down the government for his wall. Clearly he's too much of a pussy to own that statement.

► And besides all this, millions of Americans like me want to know why he lied when he said during the campaign that Mexico will pay for the wall a total of at least 20 Times, probably way more. And no, Mexico isn't paying for the wall through the new trade deal:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... despite-d/

He said Mexico would pay, he should either find a way to do that or shut up about the wall.

► Finally, his claim of caring about illegal immigration is an outright lie. As we know he employees illegal immigrants at his golf courses.

► Democrats have offered compromises to the president and hes refused. He wont come down from his number and he wont back off the wall, which we were never supposed to pay for. he uses undocumented immigrants at his businesses and has said himself he will own the shutdown and that hes proud of it. Stop letting him off the hook for all the lies. Hold him accountable. nobody has done that to him in 72 years.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

We all know that "Trump is going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it!" was just a proxy for saying, "“F” Mexicans!" right? The idea that Mexico was going to be made to pay for a border wall was an expression of superiority, not a serious policy proposal.

This was its function:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politi ... rowds.html

Somehow a symbolic device to keep Trump talking about immigration and to rile up xenophobia has led to an actual government shutdown.