Guns in America

[Some Schmo]

The quality of argumentation from gun owners alone should make everyone concerned about their ability to responsibly own a gun. The dumbest people are the ones who think they need guns most.

[Marcus]

More outrageousness from mikey, with multiple sillinesses in a row, but still no answers from the guy allowing his kids access to loaded weapons.

It makes you wonder if the outrageousness is really believed, or if the motivation is just continued disruption of conversation? It seems odd someone would be motivated to spend their time trying to destroy something like a discussion forum, but we do have plenty of evidence that at least few like that exist. Sadly.

... a differing opinion ...

Sure. That's what this poster does. He simply posts "differing opinions."

Come on. That's just laughable. You're bragging about giving children unfettered access to loaded weapons. No one believes that and it's obvious you just want to come up with the most outrageous 'opinion' possible to disrupt. It is pretty funny to see it rolled out so earnestly, however! What a show! It gets old so quickly, though. Destruction as a hobby seems counter-productive, but, you do you!! : D

[Atlanticmike]

... a differing opinion ...

Sure. That's what this poster does. He simply posts "differing opinions."

Come on. That's just laughable. You're bragging about giving children unfettered access to loaded weapons. No one believes that and it's obvious you just want to come up with the most outrageous 'opinion' possible to disrupt. It is pretty funny to see it rolled out so earnestly, however! What a show! It gets old so quickly, though. Destruction as a hobby seems counter-productive, but, you do you!! : D

Canpakes, you still can't respond to all the videos of children with access to firearms that killed or shot home intruders!! Why?? Because if you do you'll look like a Karen and you know it? Because in your PROGRESSIVE world, you would've been happier if those children didn't have access to a firearm and faced the intruder unarmed. To you, possibly being raped or beaten to death is acceptable??

https://youtu.be/3gsocto35Og
You see!! In your delusional PROGRESSIVE fairy tail world. People like you and K Graham don't think men like the one the video, actually exist! But if one day you found out they actually do exist, your plan would be to offer a therapy session???

[Marcus]

The quality of argumentation from gun owners alone should make everyone concerned about their ability to responsibly own a gun. The dumbest people are the ones who think they need guns most.

Clearly.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

That's over 5,000 minors killed in 2020 by guns. 'Acts of defense' = just under 1500.

We have a poster here seemingly ignorant of the fact that for every 3 'defensive acts' in a year, at least TEN children lose their lives. He apparently cannot live without his 'right' to possibly engage in a 'defensive act,' but he won't comment on the multiple deaths of children that go along with it.

Notice also that defensive uses of guns are decreasing, while deaths of children are increasing. It's unfathomable that arguing for a need for 'defense' continues in the face of this information.

[Gadianton]

Gadianton, have you ever shot a snubnosed revolver?

No. What would be the point?

[Gadianton]

If so, this is the funny part, are you telling me you think people walk around with safes in their pocket and they have to unlock them so they can shoot the bad guy!

No, A-Mike, I'm telling you that you can't have both worlds, simultaneously; the world where guns are locked in a safe to prevent accidents, and the world where guns are ready to pull to defend oneself.

I'm telling you that given the scenario with the person coming home and the thug sneaking up from behind, your daughters would be dead before they were able to run into the house and get to the biometric safe you got for them. If that stalker scenario is as serious of a threat as you tried to sell us, then what you've done to protect your family with that safe is no better than nothing at all.

[Binger]

Gadianton, have you ever shot a snubnosed revolver?

No. What would be the point?

They are fun. I learned to shoot pistols with a snubnose S&W. My mom taught me. She learned to shoot from her mom. The snubbies are much harder to shoot accurately than the same caliber or frame with a longer barrel. I recommend trying it.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

But what if MS-13 gang members take over your town and want to rape your family and then torture them to death? You think your Liberal pocket knife will stop them? The facetiousness of the improbable (I’m using the term literally) example of an outrageous statistical anomaly to justify 5,000 kids a year dying by irresponsible gun use, that statistically will never change because we have the data to back it up, is venal and itself outrageous. It’s just outrageous. Of course people will die in statistically rare occurrences, and it’s horrible. But the fact of the matter is people are dying in droves due to the reality of our country’s gun policies. I feel like we’re trying to have a good faith conversation with a 9/11 Truther who just shifts from one grievance to another in order to maintain their delusion.

Zero. Zero is the standard. -_-


- Doc

[Res Ipsa]

But what if MS-13 gang members take over your town and want to rape your family and then torture them to death? You think your Liberal pocket knife will stop them? The facetiousness of the improbable (I’m using the term literally) example of an outrageous statistical anomaly to justify 5,000 kids a year dying by irresponsible gun use, that statistically will never change because we have the data to back it up, is venal and itself outrageous. It’s just outrageous. Of course people will die in statistically rare occurrences, and it’s horrible. But the fact of the matter is people are dying in droves due to the reality of our country’s gun policies. I feel like we’re trying to have a good faith conversation with a 9/11 Truther who just shifts from one grievance to another in order to maintain their delusion.

Zero. Zero is the standard. -_-


- Doc

Doc, for clarification, what age range does that 5000 per year represent? I ask only because effective safety measures may vary depending on age.

[Chap]

We have a poster here seemingly ignorant of the fact that for every 3 'defensive acts' in a year, at least TEN children lose their lives. He apparently cannot live without his 'right' to possibly engage in a 'defensive act,' but he won't comment on the multiple deaths of children that go along with it.

Notice also that defensive uses of guns are decreasing, while deaths of children are increasing. It's unfathomable that arguing for a need for 'defense' continues in the face of this information.

Yup. That is truly weird. So, what are the other reasons for wanting to own guns in the face of those dead kids? Here's one:

Gadianton, have you ever shot a snubnosed revolver?

No. What would be the point?

Response:

They are fun. I learned to shoot pistols with a snubnose S&W. My mom taught me. She learned to shoot from her mom. The snubbies are much harder to shoot accurately than the same caliber or frame with a longer barrel. I recommend trying it

So, there are people who enjoy firing an inherently inaccurate weapon for "fun"?

I dunno. I was taught that firearms were for killing people who might themselves be trying to kill me. Where the fun would be in firing a weapon whose design rendered it ineffective for that purpose I cannot think. Perhaps I can think of too many other ways to have fun that seem markedly superior?