Why did Joe commit his quid pro quo? Why did he withhold the Billion dollars until the prosecutor was fired?
That question has already been answered by several other folks in this thread, with detail. My repeating those extensive replies only take up bandwidth at this point, given that you won’t read, analyze or discuss the details anyway.
I might add that none of those answers were, “Because he didn't have to..!!1!”. (... or, “Because he had to..!!1!”)
So, why didn’t Trump ask our own DoJ to investigate the Bidens?
Markk wrote:Because he did not need to? (rhetorical), as I wrote in the beginning of this circle, "why is there air in a basketball?" It is equally a stupid but obvious question with a equally obvious answer. There is air in a basketball so it can bounce, and Trump did not ask the DoJ, becasue he did not have to, he is President ...
Holy WTF. What is this madness?
I will point out to you that the reason why air might or might not be in a basketball will never be some variation of, “Because it didn’t have to have air..!!1!”. Heck, it’s not really even “so it can bounce”, but at least you think you’re giving a reason there. Bless you.
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So, why didn’t Trump ask the DoJ to investigate the Bidens?
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Under the US system of government, the Presidency is not charged with the investigation of possible crimes. That falls to the Department of Justice.
So, if the President suspects that X has committed an illegal act, he can either
(a) Ask the Department of Justice to investigate.
OR
(b) Do nothing of any practical significance.
In relation to the Bidens, Trump did not choose to do (a). So he chose (b): do nothing of any practical significance.
Why would he make that choice, if he had good reason to think that the Bidens had committed criminal acts?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing - Donald J. Trump, Jul 7 2016 [1]
There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump - Kevin McCarthy, Jun 15 2017 [2]
I don't know [if I would call the FBI if Russians asked for a meeting again during campaign season] - Jared Kushner, Jun 3 2019 [3]
I think you might want to listen, there isn't anything wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country, Norway, [and said] ‘we have information on your opponent' -- oh, I think I'd want to hear it. - Donald J. Trump, Jun 13 2019 [4]
It [interference in our 2016 election] wasn’t a single attempt. They're [Russia] doing it as we sit here, and they expect to do it during the next campaign - Robert S. Mueller III, Jul 24 2019 [5]
I would think that if they [Ukraine] were honest about it, they'd start a major investigation ... they should investigate the Bidens ... China likewise should start an investigation - Donald J. Trump, Oct 3 2019 [6]
Thank God. No one is accusing us of interfering in the U.S. elections anymore; now they’re accusing Ukraine. - Vladimir Putin, Nov 20 2019 [7]
Based on questions and statements I have heard, some of you on this committee appear to believe that Russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country—and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, Ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the Russian security services themselves. - Fiona Hill, Nov 21 2019 [8]
The unfortunate truth is that Russia was the foreign power that systematically attacked our democratic institutions in 2016. This is the public conclusion of our intelligence agencies, confirmed in bipartisan Congressional reports. It is beyond dispute, even if some of the underlying details must remain classified. - Fiona Hill, Nov 21 2019 [8]
Jan 1 2005 - Jan 31 2018. Oleg Deripaska helped Vladimir Putin launder money [9]
Mar 18 2014. Russia invaded Ukraine [10]
May 1 - Jul 1 2016. Longtime Trump Political adviser Roger Stone coordinated directly with Russian military intelligence officers regarding stolen Democratic Party emails [11]
Aug 2 2016. Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort secretively shared polling information with Russian political consultant Konstantin Kilimnik [12]
Sep 1 2016. Mitch McConnell refused to sign bipartisan statement on Russian Interference into US elections [13]
Sep 22 2016. Senator Dianne Feinstein and Congressmen Adam Schiff issued statement warning about Russian effort to influence the U.S. Election [14]
Nov 10 2016. Obama warned Trump about putting Michael Flynn in a high-level position [15]
Nov 18 2016. Elijah Cummings warned Mike Pence in a letter about Michael Flynn's foreign lobbying [16]
Jan 6 2017. The CIA, NSA, FBI, and ODNI concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election [17]
Jan 20 2017. Trump hired Michael Flynn as National Security Adviser [18]
Jan 20 2017. Michael Flynn messaged business associates that economic sanctions against Russia would be "ripped up" and a business project was "good to go" [19]
Jan 20 - Feb 7 2017. The Trump Administration worked intensly to lift sanctions on Russia the moment they took office [20]
Jan 26 2017. Acting Attorney General Sally Yates warned the White House Michael Flynn might be subject to blackmail by the Russians [21]
Feb 13 2017. Michael Flynn was fired by the Trump Administration [15]
It now seems the General Flynn was under investigation long before was common knowledge. It would have been impossible for me to know this but, if that was the case, and with me being one of two people who would become president, why was I not told so that I could make a change? - Donald J. Trump, May 17 2019 [22]
May 10 2017. Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister (Lavrov) and ambassador in White House Oval Office meeting [23]
May 10 2017. Trump told Russian officials he was not concerned with Moscow's meddling in the US election [24]
Jun 1 2017. Trump and his administration mishandled classified intelligence so frequently that the US had to extract a "highest level source" from within the Kremlin [25]
Jun 21 2017. The Trump Administration opposed a broad bipartisan Russian sanctions bill because it would prevent the US President from lifting those sanctions [26]
Apr 19 2018. Rudy Giuliani joined Trump's personal legal team [27]
May 9 2018 - Jan 18 2019. Florida governor Ron DeSantis met with Lev Parnas six times and his committee received $50,000 from him [28]
Jun 16 2018. Trump called it "An Incredible Offer" to allow Russia to interrogate American intelligence officers in exchange for FBI questioning of 12 Russian agents for interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election [29]
Jul 4 2018. Seven Republican Congressmen travelled to Russia during the Fourth of July [30]
Jul 16 2018. Trump sided with Vladimir Putin over the US intelligence community regarding Russia's election interference in the US 2016 election [31]
Aug 2 2018. 8 US Intelligence Groups warned Russia disrupting the US 2018 midterm elections [32]
Nov 1 2018 - Ongoing. House Intelligence Ranking Member Republican Devin Nunes was directly involved in the push for Ukraine Biden investigations by Trump associate Lev Parnas [33]
Feb 25 2019. Trump asked Moscow's advice in dealing with North Korea [34]
Mar 1 2019. House Intelligence Ranking Member Republican Devin Nunes called off a staff trip to Ukraine when he realized House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff would be told [35]
May 30 2019. Mitch McConnell vowed to block election security bills [36]
Jun 15 2019. Trump accused the New York Times for treason for reporting that US escalated counter cyber-attacks on Russia [37]
Jul 25 2019. Trump asked for "a favor" from Ukranian President Zelensky. As Zelensky looked for a White House visit, Trump asked the Ukrainian President to look into "Crowdstrike" (server) & investigate Trump's political opponent & his son Hunter Biden. [38]
l would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... - Donald J. Trump, Jul 25 2019 [38]
Sep 1 2019. Trump associate Lev Parnas, who pushed Ukranian conspiracy, received $1 million from a Russian bank account [39]
Oct 7 2019. Trump ordered sudden and unexpected withdrawal of American troops from Northern Syria [40]
Oct 10 2019. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, associates of Giuliani and Trump, were arrested [41]
Nov 13 2019. The conspiracy that Ukraine interfered in the US 2016 elections has been thoroughly debunked [42]
Nov 15 2019. Russia forces took over abandoned U.S. air base in northern Syria [43]
Dec 2 2019. John Kennedy backed Russian conspiracy theory that Ukraine meddled in the US 2016 election [44]
Dec 9 2019. Ted Cruz backed Russian consipiracy theory that Ukraine meddled in US 2016 election [45]
Dec 10 2019. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov visited Oval Office for second time since Russian election interference [46]
Dec 13 2019. McConnell vows total coordination with White House on Impeachment trial in Senate [47]
Dec 14 2019. Lindsey Graham backed Russian conspiracy theory that Ukraine meddled in the US 2016 election [48]
Dec 14 2019. Lindsey Graham gives his word not to be a fair juror in the trial of Donald John Trump's impeachment [49]
Dec 16 2019. The Trump Administration threatened to veto 2020 spending bill due to language requiring future release of Ukraine aid [50]
Dec 21 2019. The Trump Administration opposed bipartisan Senate bill countering Russian aggression because the bill required the administration to report Russian election meddling [51]
Feb 10 2020. Trump's Budget proposals for 2021 contain a 25 percent cut to the European Deterrence Initiative which fights Russian aggression in Eastern Europe [52]
Feb 15 2020. Pompeo held undisclosed meeting with Russian diplomat [53]
March 2019....No wrong doing found by Special prosecutor Mueller... https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf March 2019...Democrats start new bogus investigation, on unknown witness testimony February 5, 2020...Trump acquitted on articles of Impeachment
For sources click on the link. The list above is one of many that can be made with regard to Russian agents acting on behalf of Putin to infiltrate and influence the GOP and other political organizations. Butina is one that comes to mind, for example.
- Doc
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
Why did Joe commit his quid pro quo? Why did he withhold the Billion dollars until the prosecutor was fired?
That question has already been answered by several other folks in this thread, with detail. My repeating those extensive replies only take up bandwidth at this point, given that you won’t read, analyze or discuss the details anyway.
I might add that none of those answers were, “Because he didn't have to..!!1!”. (... or, “Because he had to..!!1!”)
So, why didn’t Trump ask our own DoJ to investigate the Bidens?
Because he did not need to? (rhetorical), as I wrote in the beginning of this circle, "why is there air in a basketball?" It is equally a stupid but obvious question with a equally obvious answer. There is air in a basketball so it can bounce, and Trump did not ask the DoJ, becasue he did not have to, he is President and it is his job to make sure we, our country, are not giving money away to a corrupt Ukraine, and he acted accordingly, legally, and has been acquitted for any wrong doing, as accused by his politically enemies.
He had Rudy looking into the corruption before Biden announced his run for President. He then asked the President (Z.) of the Ukraine, in a transcribed phone call, who FYI, was recently elected by the the Ukrainian people to root out the corruption (see Sondland testimony) that had taken place under the Biden and Obama watch. Trump then asked Z. to look into it on "our " behalf, and told President Z. that both Rudy and the DoJ would look into it more, as the whistle blower testified. And as you are most likely unaware of (or refuse to acknowledge), today, the DoJ and others are looking into the corruption that occurred under Obama's and Biden's watch, which President Trump took the lead on, per his legal right.
In other words he did his job, and has no legal or constitutional requirement to ask the DOJ to first look into goverment corruption, but he did anyway after setting the table. There are other likely reasons I did not discuss much, like inheriting a "Washington" that has more leaks than Swiss cheese has holes. He obviously trusted Rudy enough to start the ball rolling, who is obviously more than qualified as a prosecutor...that is not even debatable given his record.
I understand you don't like my answer. I understand you can't refute my answer with factual evidence, logic or reason. I understand you can't defend and expound on your answer to your own question...but maybe you will go for it sooner than later.
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"
Markk wrote:Because he did not need to? (rhetorical), as I wrote in the beginning of this circle, "why is there air in a basketball?" It is equally a stupid but obvious question with a equally obvious answer. There is air in a basketball so it can bounce, and Trump did not ask the DoJ, becasue he did not have to, he is President ...
Holy WTF. What is this madness?
I will point out to you that the reason why air might or might not be in a basketball will never be some variation of, “Because it didn’t have to have air..!!1!”. Heck, it’s not really even “so it can bounce”, but at least you think you’re giving a reason there. Bless you.
LOL... it shows you did not read it the first time I wrote it...the context is, like your question, it is a joke of a question that you can't really articulate on.
We can see Markk saw there was extensive documenting of Trump’s and Putin’s coordination or, I dunno, malfeasance, ans so he quickly googled something he didn’t read, but that’s not as important as simply posting a response which satisfies his smooth brain. As a reminder I’ll just leave this here:
Did Trump try to interfere with the probe?
“We investigated a series of actions by the president towards the investigation,” he said. “Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today.”
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTIETH damned TIME, MARKK.
Nadler asked:
Director Mueller “the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him, but that is not what your report said, is it?”
“Correct,” Mueller replied. “That is not what the report said.”
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY FIRST TIME, MARKK.
Nadler quoted from a section of the report in which Mueller’s team wrote that it would have exonerated Trump on the question of obstruction if it could. But, the report says, it couldn’t.
“So the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice, is that correct?” Nadler asked.
“That is correct,” Mueller replied.
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY SECOND TIME, MARKK.
“And what about total exoneration? Did you totally exonerate the president?” Nadler continued.
“No,” Mueller said.
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY THIRD TIME , MARKK.
“Does your report state there is sufficient factual and legal basis for further investigation of potential obstruction of justice by the president?” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Tex.) later asked.
“Yes,” Mueller replied.
HE SHOULD STILL BE INVESTIGATED, MARKK.
Trump has also repeatedly rejected the idea that Russia’s interference in the 2016 election was meant to aid his own candidacy. Under questioning from Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), Mueller contradicted Trump’s claims.
“Well,” Mueller said, “it would be Trump.”
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY FOURTH TIME, MARKK.
When Mueller appeared before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday afternoon, committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) walked through a number of the claims Trump has made in the past about Mueller and his probe.
Few were more direct than this one: “Your investigation is not a witch hunt, is it?” Schiff asked.
“It is not a witch hunt,” Mueller replied.
Schiff walked through several other claims that the president has made. Schiff noted that Mueller’s report identified outreach attempts from Russia to Trump’s campaign.
“The campaign welcomed the Russian help did they not?” Schiff asked. AD
“I think we report in the report indications that that occurred, yes,” Mueller said.
WELL, MARKK???
"When the president said the Russian interference was a hoax, that was false, wasn't it?" Schiff asked later.
“True,” Mueller replied.
WELL, MARKK???
Anyway. This could go on for pages, but ‘smoothbrain Markk’ (takin’ a page out of Trump’s playbook, I am) is a waste of time.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I haven't looked at this thread in a while... I don't even remember where I left off. I just decided to click the last page to see where the conversation went, and it's all about Biden. In a thread about Trump's impeachment hearing, people are talking about Biden... for “F”'s sake.
If this isn't a perfect microcosm of the problem with US politics, I don't know what is. Some Americans are just damned dumb as crap.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:We can see Markk saw there was extensive documenting of Trump’s and Putin’s coordination or, I dunno, malfeasance, ans so he quickly googled something he didn’t read, but that’s not as important as simply posting a response which satisfies his smooth brain. As a reminder I’ll just leave this here:
Did Trump try to interfere with the probe?
“We investigated a series of actions by the president towards the investigation,” he said. “Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the president committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today.”
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTIETH ____ TIME, MARKK.
Nadler asked:
Director Mueller “the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him, but that is not what your report said, is it?”
“Correct,” Mueller replied. “That is not what the report said.”
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY FIRST TIME, MARKK.
Nadler quoted from a section of the report in which Mueller’s team wrote that it would have exonerated Trump on the question of obstruction if it could. But, the report says, it couldn’t.
“So the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice, is that correct?” Nadler asked.
“That is correct,” Mueller replied.
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY SECOND TIME, MARKK.
“And what about total exoneration? Did you totally exonerate the president?” Nadler continued.
“No,” Mueller said.
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY THIRD TIME , MARKK.
“Does your report state there is sufficient factual and legal basis for further investigation of potential obstruction of justice by the president?” Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Tex.) later asked.
“Yes,” Mueller replied.
HE SHOULD STILL BE INVESTIGATED, MARKK.
Trump has also repeatedly rejected the idea that Russia’s interference in the 2016 election was meant to aid his own candidacy. Under questioning from Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), Mueller contradicted Trump’s claims.
“Well,” Mueller said, “it would be Trump.”
NOT EXONERATED FOR THE FIFTY FOURTH TIME, MARKK.
When Mueller appeared before the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday afternoon, committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) walked through a number of the claims Trump has made in the past about Mueller and his probe.
Few were more direct than this one: “Your investigation is not a witch hunt, is it?” Schiff asked.
“It is not a witch hunt,” Mueller replied.
Schiff walked through several other claims that the president has made. Schiff noted that Mueller’s report identified outreach attempts from Russia to Trump’s campaign.
“The campaign welcomed the Russian help did they not?” Schiff asked. AD
“I think we report in the report indications that that occurred, yes,” Mueller said.
WELL, MARKK???
"When the president said the Russian interference was a hoax, that was false, wasn't it?" Schiff asked later.
“True,” Mueller replied.
WELL, MARKK???
Anyway. This could go on for pages, but ‘smoothbrain Markk’ (takin’ a page out of Trump’s playbook, I am) is a waste of time.
- Doc
Markk wrote for the second time..."found no wrong doing" ...in regards to Trump. Did Russia interfere, yes, under the Obama watch after he said there was no need to worry. There is more evidence that the Russians helped Hillary other than anyone else.
You can't exonerate someone from something there is no evidence they are guilty of. No wrong doing, they found no Trump Russian conspiracy. That is why thye did not even attempt to impeach Trump, and let it go; for what would have been treason. They spent 2-1/2 years and found tie between Russian and a conspiracy ...LOL it's over Doc, is there was the slightest bit of evidence, they would have jumped all over it and made it a article of impeachment.
Don't take life so seriously in that " sooner or later we are just old men in funny clothes" "Tom 'T-Bone' Wolk"