Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four wounded

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EAllusion wrote:Remember Wade Englund, master logician? One of Wade's favorite things to do was to say terrible things to other posters as a way of mirroring back their behavior to them. The problem with his "conversational mirror" approach was that he didn't really understand the behavior or ideas he was disagreeing with, so his mirror was just relentless implied strawmans. And he seemed to do it mostly because he got a kick out of being a jerk and felt this was a fair-game way to indulge that impulse.



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It is possible that you are the innocent victim of the snobbery and sneering of weak-tea-drinking pointy-headed intellectuals.

It is, however, possible that some of the stuff that you have been posting recently is actually neither effective as argument for your position (assuming you have one) nor even vaguely amusing.

I wonder which is the case?
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Res Ipsa wrote:What does this "stalking" you are describing entail?

Asking them to explain themselves and their accusations, apparently.
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EAllusion wrote:Just yesterday there was also a would-be spree killer who tried to enter a black Church, was deterred, and settled for killing a couple of black people at a Kroger instead:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/us/kentu ... index.html

The conservative birds have come home to roost and they are armed with automatic assault rifles.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hurr hurr, yes yes, aren't we so much more nuanced than those others who have different opinions and outlooks on life? I pity them so much. Tsk. Such a shame they're not as smart and enlightened as we are. Yes yes. Harumph.

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It’s fair to say that while all folks are arguably created equal, they don’t all end up exercising the same emotional or intellectual maturity, be that intentionally or otherwise.
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It seems to all be coming down to a fight about free speech. I shudder to imagine what these lunatic leftists would do if they had the power of the state behind them to enforce their crazy.

Former Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean said late Sunday that Gab, the social media platform used by the suspect in the Pittsburgh synagogue mass shooting, "should be tried for being an accomplice to murder."

"You are a facilitator of neo nazis and other haters. You should be tried for being an accomplice to murder," Dean, a former governor of Vermont, wrote in a tweet. "You’re lucky shutting you down is all you get. A lot luckier than the 11 Jews in Pittsburgh were or the two African Americans murdered in Kentucky were."


https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4 ... -synagogue
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canpakes wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:What does this "stalking" you are describing entail?

Asking them to explain themselves and their accusations, apparently.

Well, duh! When they do it, it's "death threats," when we do it, it's respectfully "asking them to explain themselves." Riiiiigggggghhhhhhtttttt.
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Water Dog wrote:It seems to all be coming down to a fight about free speech. I shudder to imagine what these lunatic leftists would do if they had the power of the state behind them to enforce their crazy.

Former Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean said late Sunday that Gab, the social media platform used by the suspect in the Pittsburgh synagogue mass shooting, "should be tried for being an accomplice to murder."

"You are a facilitator of neo nazis and other haters. You should be tried for being an accomplice to murder," Dean, a former governor of Vermont, wrote in a tweet. "You’re lucky shutting you down is all you get. A lot luckier than the 11 Jews in Pittsburgh were or the two African Americans murdered in Kentucky were."


https://thehill.com/policy/technology/4 ... -synagogue


I disagree with Dean's tweet. I don't believe any host or platform for online speech should be subjected to criminal liability based on what users say on the platform. I understand the grief and the frustration over the slaughter, but this ain't the answer.

ETA: I suspect that his wife and kids being Jewish had some effect on his tweet.
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Funny how these people get swept under the rug until they actually kill someone. Anyone remember this guy's infamous video calls to murder black women and children?

Avid Trump supporter, James Stachowiak, an Ex-Georgia Cop Declares War On Black Lives Matter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38CyVC4jTc

Then there was this nutjob: "Trump is gonna get rid of all you fuckin' pieces of crap, you know that?"
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Kevin Graham wrote:Funny how these people get swept under the rug until they actually kill someone. Anyone remember this guy's infamous video calls to murder black women and children?

Avid Trump supporter, James Stachowiak, an Ex-Georgia Cop Declares War On Black Lives Matter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38CyVC4jTc

Then there was this nutjob: "Trump is gonna get rid of all you ____' pieces of ____, you know that?"


What do you suggest society do with the guy who posted that video?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
What do you suggest society do with the guy who posted that video?


In a sane world he should have his youtube account revoked at the very least and he should never be allowed to work in law enforcement again.

How is this not inciting violent murder, of women and children no less?
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