Trump is not a fascist

[Markk]

Well, we also disagree on what our "ends that justify our means" so to speak.

What is your end and plan on this issue? From what I am seeing the lefts plan, in regard to illegal immigration was and is to do nothing. Chaos seems to be the plan.

Your off-brand Kool Aid is pretty weak and tastes bad, but it sure does a number on you.

Presidents have been deporting millions of undocumented immigrants for decades now, legally and Constitutionally. Unlawful, inhumane, and unconstitutional methods are not justified.

Well what is the plan Kish? DEI? Men in women's sports? Spray painting buildings, and old hippies singing songs? My questions is fair..." what is the lefts plan for gathering illegal immigrant criminals and making sure they first receive due process and justice deserved?"

It's easy to just call people names and engage in ad hom answers Kish, avoiding answering fair questions appears to be not so easy.

[Molok]

The obvious solution is to fix our fundamentally broken immigration system to process immigration faster and more efficiently, instead of making people wait decades. But that doesn't involve cruelty to brown people, so I doubt it will appeal to the right.

[Doctor Steuss]

[...] " what is the lefts plan for gathering illegal immigrant criminals and making sure they first receive due process and justice deserved?"

I imagine the left's plan was the bipartisan legislation that would have increased the number of agents, funding for improved technology for border patrol and protection, increased the number of immigration judges to help clear the backlog, and funding for the lawyers to represent unaccompanied minors.

It's unfortunate that legislation was tanked solely because someone didn't want Biden to get the credit. Curiously, similar legislation hasn't already been drafted and passed by the right now that they are in power of every branch of government. It's almost as if some people don't want the problem to be actually "fixed" in any meaningful way, because they know it's a useful tool to distract people that care about the Constitution and human rights, and to placate supporters who need a perpetual scapegoat.

Someone should let them know that if they actually do something to help fix the border, they can always fall back on claiming black people are eating people's pets.

[canpakes]

My questions is fair..." what is the lefts plan for gathering illegal immigrant criminals and making sure they first receive due process and justice deserved?"

Normal due process. And the Biden Administration was deemed more effective at doing what you’re asking about than the Trump Administration. Read the CATO report, already.

But, as Stu points out above, following the law doesn’t leave room for getting MAGA all riled up like violating court orders and deporting folks with protected status does. Just look at how hard you’ve argued for weeks now to have your civil rights violated for political grandstanding reasons.

[Markk]

[...] " what is the lefts plan for gathering illegal immigrant criminals and making sure they first receive due process and justice deserved?"

I imagine the left's plan was the bipartisan legislation that would have increased the number of agents, funding for improved technology for border patrol and protection, increased the number of immigration judges to help clear the backlog, and funding for the lawyers to represent unaccompanied minors.

It's unfortunate that legislation was tanked solely because someone didn't want Biden to get the credit. Curiously, similar legislation hasn't already been drafted and passed by the right now that they are in power of every branch of government. It's almost as if some people don't want the problem to be actually "fixed" in any meaningful way, because they know it's a useful tool to distract people that care about the Constitution and human rights, and to placate supporters who need a perpetual scapegoat.

Someone should let them know that if they actually do something to help fix the border, they can always fall back on claiming black people are eating people's pets.

CFR...I would like to take a look at the plan and how it would have operated getting the gang members and criminals here in front of the federal judges.

Also keep in mine Trump basically shut down the border in a month or two, with executive orders and by allowing folks do what they were hired to do. Biden could have done the very same things.

Anyways give me a link to what legislation you are talking about?

[Molok]

Gang members commit crimes, there are already systems in place for that, it's called the police.

[Kishkumen]

Well what is the plan Kish? DEI? Men in women's sports? Spray painting buildings, and old hippies singing songs? My questions is fair..." what is the lefts plan for gathering illegal immigrant criminals and making sure they first receive due process and justice deserved?"

It's easy to just call people names and engage in ad hom answers Kish, avoiding answering fair questions appears to be not so easy.

I thought Biden's bill was good. It was tough. It was within the law. Trump leaned on the Republicans to scuttle it, when it would have been tough and would have worked. I don't need my own plan, a demand that is frankly idiotic. I am willing to see how the Biden bill would work, and then we can revisit the issue. It is stupid to think that there was no viable alternative to Trump's illegality and flouting of the Constitution, when there was one on the table that Trump killed for entirely cynical, self-serving reasons.

Use your thinking cap.

[Kishkumen]

The obvious solution is to fix our fundamentally broken immigration system to process immigration faster and more efficiently, instead of making people wait decades. But that doesn't involve cruelty to brown people, so I doubt it will appeal to the right.

Bingo. Right there.

But, here's the problem--Trump doesn't give a crap. He doesn't really care whether it works. He really cares about decking it out with lasers, sharks, moats, and guys dressed up in executioner drag so he can APPEAR tough and have people praise him as though he had any substance. When, in all reality, he has the mind of a deranged ten-year-old schoolyard bully and no real interest in doing things for anyone but himself and his fellow elite bullies and psychos.

[Doctor Steuss]

I imagine the left's plan was the bipartisan legislation that would have increased the number of agents, funding for improved technology for border patrol and protection, increased the number of immigration judges to help clear the backlog, and funding for the lawyers to represent unaccompanied minors.

It's unfortunate that legislation was tanked solely because someone didn't want Biden to get the credit. Curiously, similar legislation hasn't already been drafted and passed by the right now that they are in power of every branch of government. It's almost as if some people don't want the problem to be actually "fixed" in any meaningful way, because they know it's a useful tool to distract people that care about the Constitution and human rights, and to placate supporters who need a perpetual scapegoat.

Someone should let them know that if they actually do something to help fix the border, they can always fall back on claiming black people are eating people's pets.

CFR...I would like to take a look at the plan and how it would have operated getting the gang members and criminals here in front of the federal judges.

Also keep in mine Trump basically shut down the border in a month or two, with executive orders and by allowing folks do what they were hired to do. Biden could have done the very same things.

Anyways give me a link to what legislation you are talking about?

You seem to be incredibly confused about how our court systems work. Getting gang members and criminals here in front of federal judges has nothing to do with immigration. That's Attorney Generals, the Department of Justice, and local law enforcement.

As far as the things I stated it would do (increase the number of agents, improve technology, and increase the number of judges), here's the text.
S.4361 - Border Act of 2024. Of note, this was endorsed by the National Border Control Council (who represents the thousands of border agents and personnel).

I did get one thing wrong (for which I apologize -- I really do try to be accurate in my ranty ramblings). It didn't increase the number of judges. It substituted judicial review and oversight for the process that is currently overseen by USCIS for people crossing unlawfully, and it also would have sped up the asylum screening process (and made more restrictive standards for acceptance) which would have freed up a significant amount of time for judges to get through the backlog of people already in the country. It did, however, have funding for the administrative side to help streamline everything for judges (i.e. lawyers, law clerks, paralegals, etc.).

It would have also increased funding to expand ICE detention centers (a whopping 47% increase in capacity), and to continue construction of the border wall (that Trump failed at).

[Kishkumen]

I imagine the left's plan was the bipartisan legislation that would have increased the number of agents, funding for improved technology for border patrol and protection, increased the number of immigration judges to help clear the backlog, and funding for the lawyers to represent unaccompanied minors.

It's unfortunate that legislation was tanked solely because someone didn't want Biden to get the credit. Curiously, similar legislation hasn't already been drafted and passed by the right now that they are in power of every branch of government. It's almost as if some people don't want the problem to be actually "fixed" in any meaningful way, because they know it's a useful tool to distract people that care about the Constitution and human rights, and to placate supporters who need a perpetual scapegoat.

Someone should let them know that if they actually do something to help fix the border, they can always fall back on claiming black people are eating people's pets.

Well said. It is not mysterious at all what is going on here. Trump wants a precarious life of suffering and oppression for the proles, while he eats caviar served by naked teenagers on his Gaza resort with his fellow degenerates.