Suspicious packages sent to Clinton, Obama, CNN

[_Jersey Girl]

I don't see how him being a registered Republican or not makes any difference. What do you think about it?

So whether he's a registered Republican or not DJT is still the cause of this? Is that what you're saying?

Yes.

[_canpakes]

A typical conversation in Dogland:

Here's what I'll say. If it's confirmed to be what it now appears to be, you won't hear any excuses from me. A crazy person inspired by right-wing rhetoric. Agreed.

... it’s a safe bet to assume that this purity of sanity is not the case, and that stupid or deranged individuals will interpret Trump’s enthusiasm for equating folks he doesn’t like to enemies of the people as a call for action.

That's your fault. Says the girl who doesn't want the law to be enforced equally and fairly. You defend Hillary. You defend Avenatti and Swetnik. You defend perjury designed to sack our constitution. They wouldn't be chanting it if you had enforced the law. It's an expression of frustration with the injustice that exists between the rulers and the ruled. Stop being a lying cheating stealer and they'll stop chanting it.

[_ajax18]

So whether he's a registered Republican or not DJT is still the cause of this? Is that what you're saying?

Yes.[/quote]

So would you agree that Democrat rhetoric was responsible for the assault on Steve Scalise? Who is responsible for Bill Ayers actions?

[_Water Dog]

Dude. I like you. I do. But if you keep up with this horse crap you're going to lose me. I would think you of all people would be a little more attuned to national security interests, and how foreign actors buying and selling political assets go down.

I get being disgusted by nutjob Leftists and out-of-their-gourds Liberals, but we know what the Russians are about and they are, in fact, not aligned with us in

We'll see what Mueller says, hopefully right after the Nov FUBAR settles down. I'm sure we agree on who Russia is. And in that context of what's already well known, they are agitators. They create opportunity by going after perceived weakness. I have no doubt they're flexing their muscles and damned with us. I have no doubt Putin personally wanted to “F” with Hillary. I kind of even respect it a little, lol. But they didn't swing any damn election. Trump isn't a spy or a puppet. The lefty hysteria is most likely exactly what they wanted. Beyond what they could have hoped for. Best few million they ever spent. No matter what happens one side or the other thinks the government is illegitimate. They're laughing their asses off. And if Mueller presents reasonable evidence of their intentions to “F” with our institutional stability, we should respond accordingly. And I think Trump would. That too will be interesting to see. If Russia's actions have been egregious, does he respond? Does he say water under the bridge? What does the left say, do they demand he respond in some way? Do they try to work with Trump to fix the Russia problem, or just spin it as though Trump is illegitimate no matter what? Either Russia is guilty of something, or nothing. Either Trump is legitimate, or he needs to go.

[_MeDotOrg]

A guy named Tom Nichols, a Naval College Professor, sent a series of tweets that I've combined for ease of reading into a single quote:

The question isn't whether MAGA Van Guy is nuts, since he clearly is. That's not the President's fault. The better question is whether the White House and the Trump media complex is pushing the crazy juice so hard that it's making unstable people more likely to be violent. I've said many times that "lone wolf" guys who pledge to ISIS or to white supremacy or to anti-abortion violence are kooks who went looking for a cause. They have to go find the propaganda, and when they do, they mainline it.

The difference here is that really hateful stuff is coming in waves not from foreigners or fringe groups, but from WH-sponsored rallies, from widely-cited internet sites that have zillions of followers, and from a four-hour window of hot crazy known as "Fox in prime time."

No one in politics or wingnut media made this guy send bombs. Period. What they did, instead, was superheat the political environment and flood crazy BS into the information space so regularly that unhinged guys like this think they're being patriots by sending bombs. We can all hope that this will make some of those people think hard about what they're doing, but it won't. And I doubt this guy is going to be the last guy to do something like this, especially as the administration unravels more over the coming months.

When you heat up crazy, it is more likely to bounce your way. I think the analogy of Muslim extremist in some ways is not far off, in the sense that a lone wolf feels anger and interprets it into a clarion call for action via ideology, whether religious or political. (And yes, I think this holds for left wing extremists as well.)

Even now it seems like the President either doesn't get it, or doesn't care. How does a narcissist characterize the activities of a domestic terrorist who sent pipe bombs to 2 previous Presidents, a Secretary of State, an Attorney General, a C.I.A. Director, Director of National Intelligence, a Senator, and a member of the House?

"Bomb stuff". An inconvenience taking valuable time away from his message. It fits, though. Just like news of Russian election meddling was an effort to tarnish his victory. The President does not understand the world that exists outside of spin.

[_moksha]

So whether he's a registered Republican or not DJT is still the cause of this? Is that what you're saying?

Let's just say the Devil got roped into a Trumpian bargain.

[Guest]

This:

No one in politics or wingnut media made this guy send bombs. Period. What they did, instead, was superheat the political environment and flood crazy ____ into the information space so regularly that unhinged guys like this think they're being patriots by sending bombs.

How about the President leads the way in changing the national atmosphere from one in which crowds chant 'CNN sucks' and 'Lock her up' [and also 'Lock him' <Soros> up], and believe that everything is a giant conspiracy, that Obama founded ISIS, and that ... all the other crazy stuff? That's what Presidents do, isn't it?

I mean, it's not as if Trump is the guy who has done the most to encourage that kind of thing, and continues to do so without ceasing even in the midst of events like these? Is it??

Damn. It seems that I am wrong there.

ETA: reference to Soros chant.

[_Chap]

Looking back in the thread, I found ... not unexpectedly:

Instead of simply recognizing it for what it is, a nut. This isn't "terrorism."

What specifically could keep him from being defined as being both a nut and a terrorist?

Being a white right-wing Christian, like I said. No-one like that is ever a terrorist. They're just off their meds, or something ...

[_Water Dog]

Being a white right-wing Christian, like I said. No-one like that is ever a terrorist. They're just off their meds, or something ...

Who are you referring to?



Cesar Sayok is not white, he's native american. Nor is he Christian.

[_Water Dog]

My thoughts exactly...