Will Al Qaeda attack the US in 2009

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Angus McAwesome wrote:Oh sweet mother of Irony... If Biden says it you morons deny it and go on with idiotic and often borderline racist attacks on Obama's supposed "terrorist" ties, but when a Bush Administration Butt Muppet says the EXACT same thing, you retards start tripping all over yourselves to quote it as a sign that Obama is the first sign of the coming apocalypse.
Using insults is not a way to increase discussion. Biden's comment has not been denied by conservatives; we have been shouting it from the rooftops. The point about the One is that his inexperience makes it even more likely that he will be challenged. Remember how Iran freed the hostages just as Reagan became president. They were afraid to challenge him the way they had challenged Carter. All new presidents are liable to be pressed but a weak naïve guy like BHO is a bigger than normal target.


Precisely. The Soviets knew they could walk all over Carter and he would, for all intents and purposes, do nothing, regardless of how provocative their behavior.

I notice that Obama is being supported by Hamas, as well as that of some other foreign entities anxiously awaiting the ascension of The Messiah to the Oval Office.

After all, there will be no preconditions...
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The government carried out both of the attacks on the WTC.
Especially good evidence for attack on WTC in 1993.
I wasn't aware of Al Qaeda ever being blamed for it.
Amad Salam (spelling?) .. Egyptian fellow -- no supposed "connections" with A-q as I'm aware.

There has been a lot of talk about a second 9/11 for a while.
Just yet another false-flag attack, but when it happens, it'll be used to justify military rule or some other major form of taking peoples liberties away.


Ahhh, the Democratic party base. As you have now just summarily excused yourself from the realm of serious discourse, you are dismissed.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:Oh wonders of wonders. A lunatic conspiracy theory person has has joined the board.


And he's just as welcome to post here as anyone else.


Yes, but unwanted. This place is top loaded with this kind of thing already, in Mormon, as well as political areas.
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Re: Will Al Qaeda attack the US in 2009

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Ok, boy, time to destroy your idiotic little conspiracies...


Brenton wrote:Clearly the government in the very least allowed it to happen.


Way to move the goal posts, skippy. First you say "The government did it" and after you get called on it you backpeddle into "the Government let it happy". This is going to be too easy.


Brenton wrote:The Airspace Command failed multiple times in one day, and it had NEVER failed before.
It wouldn't be questionable if maybe one of the attacks were succesful, but since they -all- were...


There are two government bodies tasked with monitoring US airspace, the Federal Aviation Administration's Air Traffic Control system and the US Airforce as part of the joint US/Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). The FAA's ATC is responsible for all civilian traffic in areas other then federal or military no-fly zones while NORAD watches everything else from sea level up to as far as our sensors can penetrate into space. NORAD doesn't even pay attention to Civilian aircraft unless they go into restricted airspace or if the FAA ATC contacts them to tell them an aircraft may be in trouble or possibly pose a threat. In the event the FAA ATC does contact NORAD, NORAD can dispatch interceptors from either USAF Bases or ANG bases to get eyes on. Those interceptors aren't allowed to fire without permission from the National Command AUthority (the same people that pass on the order to launch our nuclear deterent), i.e. the order must come from the President of the United States.

So basically what you're saying is that the US Airforce failed to protect us from a threat that they were not designed to defend us against, weren't authorized to defend us against, and until that day had NEVER EXISTED BEFORE. Good job, slack wit, you've managed to impress me with how stupid another human being can actual become.


Brenton wrote:In regards to all the thermite discussion, well ... the only problem there is that patented thermite was the sort found -- the sort used especially for explosive/deconstruction of buildings. However that has no regard to me.


What the hell is "patented thermite"? You do understand that thermite is a fairly old incindiary compound makes from aluminum and iron, right?

Which leads into shooting down your next bit of stupid...


Brenton wrote:The other problem with saying that thermite had nothing to do with it is the molten steel. Jet fuel simply gets nowhere near hot enough to melt steel or iron.


Thermite is composed of Aluminum and Iron. Do you know what the primary building component of Boeing 767-200ER/223ER? ALUMINUM! And what do you know, the WTC used quite a lot of steeel, i.e. IRON in it's construction.

Also, since you're apparently to stupid to know why jet fuel didn't have to get hot enough to melt steel or even why the steel didn't even need to melt...

See, when you heat iron or steel, as it gets hotter it's molecular structure changes, it becomes more ductile (plastic) and it loses strength. Heat up a steel beam that's a load bearing member of a building and eventually it will weaken enough that it can no longer support the load it was designed for. When that happens the building collapses. Doesn't require heat even close to the melting point of steel, just hot enough to turn a strong load bearing martensic steel into pliable austerite, which wouldn't you know it, burning Jet-A is more than sufficient to generate the heat required.

It's called phase transition, moron. Go look it up.


Brenton wrote:However, since you seem such an expert on structures I must ask you ... building 7? ;)


Building 7 was struck by a lot of burning debris from the two main towers, which in turn started fires that burned out of control for hours due to a lack of water and man power available to fight them. Pretty simple.

Or let me guess... You're one of those chuckelheads that thinks the evil Government planted demolition charges through out the sight, and managed to plant enough charges to prcisely drop a build without anyone noticing, and did so without leaving any traces of their work behind?


Brenton wrote:No I don't mean any of them. The 1993 bombing was CIA sponsored, I'll try find the information later -- but ofcourse you clearly already accept a closed view, whereas I'm open to new information.
Anyway, the 1993 bombing didn't kill enough people -- so then Oklahoma city was attacked and enough people were killed. Not too long after the first anti-terror legislation which takes away many constitutional rights and civil liberties is passed.


Ok, so now you;re saying that not only did the US Federal Government plan and carry out the 1993 WTC bombing, but they also carried out the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing?

Ok, I'm calling BS and flat out demanding you present hard evidence for this. You just made a pair of extraordinary claims, both of which will require extraordinary evidence. So put up or shut up, boy.


Brenton wrote:In the end the problem isn't if the government did this or lied about that.


Make up your mind, dumbass. Did the government plan and carry out the attacks you say they did or did they just lie about who did?


Brenton wrote:The problem is the system itself and we all need to change so we can change this world into a much more fair and just world for all human beings.


No, the problem is weak-minded and poorly educated morons like yourself that cannot engage their brain enough to use critical thinking and end up believing in stupid crap like conspiracy theories.


Brenton wrote:I do not know anybody that does not or has not questioned 9/11 among other attacks...


Yeah, I guess dropping out of high school kinda forces you to hang out with other dumbasses like that.


Brenton wrote:Not the least of reasons being that buildings do not fall straight down, and explode outward ... or fall at free-fall speed ... that's pretty wierd.
The pancake theory as described in the commission report doesn't allow for the building to explode outward ... the floors should've been stacked up to a certain height still .... not pulverised to smitherines.


See, if you had stayed in school you'd have learned enough basic physics to know why it happened like that. You'd also be able to think and evaluate evidence. Here's an experiment. Set your house on fire, now observe if it eventually pancakes as you and the other retards think it should or if if turns into a big pile of flaming rubble.


Now, your next post had better start presenting some damned convincing evidence. Half baked crackpottery and old, tired, and easily shot down theories don't cut it, boy.
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Ahhh, the Democratic party base. As you have now just summarily excused yourself from the realm of serious discourse, you are dismissed.

Oh wow, well here's another thing then.
Anyone who thinks there's any difference between the democratic and the republican needs a head-check.
Both are funded by generally the same-type lobbyists --
This explains why almost totaly unkown personalities appear on the scene as presidential candidates, because they're funded by the corporational interests.
The left and right are just an illusion, and really both more of the same. They both have the same broad worldview ... you might wanna ask yourself why, for example, a person with Buddhist world-view has yet to run for president -- simply that they wouldn't be a friend to the corporations.

In Australia we're forced to vote, but there's a lot of grownig sentiment towards politics and I think in future we're going to see a big dissolution of politics here. I know many people who will refuse to vote at the upcoming Victorian state elections for example.

Way to move the goal posts, skippy. First you say "The government did it" and after you get called on it you backpeddle into "the Government let it happy". This is going to be too easy.

Not really, if they let it happen they still did it. It's the same as the Jesus character quote about a man hating someone has murdered in his heart.

So basically what you're saying is that the US Airforce failed to protect us from a threat that they were not designed to defend us against, weren't authorized to defend us against, and until that day had NEVER EXISTED BEFORE. Good job, slack wit, you've managed to impress me with how stupid another human being can actual become.

That's an excuse the Bush admin., has fed you and you've swallowed the poop they've fed ya! Hilarious.

"North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a joint organization of Canada and the United States that provides aerospace warning, air sovereignty and defense for North America."
This means full air defense. Lets take into account the ridiculous notion by Condoleeza Rice (couldn't care less about spelling of her name) when she mad the comment "I don't think anyone could have imagined that they would use hijacked airplanes as a missile." This would be ok, except when you realise that practice defense operations that had been carried out not too long prior 9/11 involved hijacked airlines with one of the targets being the WTC.
"In an attempt to explain NORAD's poor performance in the attacks on September 11, 2001, Bush Administration officers claimed that NORAD was never tasked to monitor the skies inside America, that the defense agency was tasked to "looking outward" on 9/11 only,[7] contradicting the historical fact that NORAD never ceased its "inward looking" mission of "Air Sovereignty"."

"Since the founding of NORAD in 1958 the defense organization has had three missions: (1) Surveillance and Control of the airspace covering the United States and Canada; (2) Warning the National Command Authorities of an aerospace attack approaching the North American continent; and (3) Providing a proper response to an aerospace attack approaching the North American continent."
There is no hint of military protection only, this is a 100% protection thing.

"What the hell is "patented thermite"? You do understand that thermite is a fairly old incindiary compound makes from aluminum and iron, right?"
Patented thermite is called thermate and is used especially by the deconstruction industry. It has a higher level of sulfate, among other things.

The burning plane and all to weaken the structure would work as a total theory - if the fires hadn't started to go out on both of the collapses and especially on one of the buildings which just had black smoke and nothing else. Then you also have to ask -- were things burning down the very bottom of the tower? I could understand if part of the building had collapsed, but there just wasn't enough damage for the perfect collapse we see. The very reason the buildings collapsed into their footprint is because of the sub-basement explosions, which we know happened because of witness testimony.

Building 7 was struck by a lot of burning debris from the two main towers, which in turn started fires that burned out of control for hours due to a lack of water and man power available to fight them. Pretty simple.

Take a look at the burning building, there were fires on only a few floors. The building was not burning furiously. I'm not going to speculate, but it collapses perfectly to the controlled demolition pattern.

At the end of the day, tall buildings don't fall at free-fall. A physics teacher will tell you that, and many have told me.

Ok, so now you;re saying that not only did the US Federal Government plan and carry out the 1993 WTC bombing, but they also carried out the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing?

Ok, I'm calling b***s*** and flat out demanding you present hard evidence for this. You just made a pair of extraordinary claims, both of which will require extraordinary evidence. So put up or shut up, boy.

Well I've already showed you a fairly credible article for the 1993 WTC attack. I could provide more if you wanted.

As I've said though, my issue isn't with what has happened so much as it is with what we can do to overthrow the society of sickness we are within. Simple thing is the government (esp. us govt) has declared war on it's own people. Through the "anti-terror" legislation many constitutional rights and civil liberties have been taken away. It has nothing to do with stopping terrorism, and everything to do with social control.
People are becoming tired of the status quo rubbish the government are feeding them, and the government invented the terorrist to try and censor people in any way they need to. You can pretty much be legally named a terrorist for disagreeing with official government statements or saying something "objectionable".

No, the problem is weak-minded and poorly educated morons like yourself that cannot engage their brain enough to use critical thinking and end up believing in stupid s*** like conspiracy theories.

What the problem comes down to is your critical thinking. Go and talk to, 25 physics teachers who are not biased in any way. Show them videos of the WTC collapsing, and you can bet that the majority, if they're honest and apply the laws of physics to their understanding of what they've seen -- they're not going to call it a regular collapse.
The problem is for most people that it's scarier for it to be their own government than a guy in a cave.

History repeats itself. Hitler staged a false-flag on the reichstag and blamed it on terrorists. He had "homeland security" and introduced it in much the same way as the US govt,.
Paraphrasing "There is a great evil that threatenes this great land, we must protect our homeland security".

Then we have Pearl Harbor, which we, especially in Australia because we warned FDR about the Japanese fleet know that the government allowed it to happen.
We know that the Lusitania was filled with explosives when it was hit, the german embassy even warned against travelling in this area -- but in the end this carried america into WWI.
Then we have the gulf of tonkin, and it now appears that didn't even happen.

Banking interests have always wanted the US to enter the war because it's an excellent way for profit and control.

Yeah, I guess dropping out of high school kinda forces you to hang out with other dumbasses like that.

Haha, are you online stalking me? I actually did drop out this year, but that was because I'd picked subjects which I shouldn't have and I was too far into the course of the year to change them so I'm returning for my final year next year.

The fact that you absolutely don't seem to be able to engage in a discussion without weak insults already shows the nature of your mind, and your ability to be intellect.

See, if you had stayed in school you'd have learned enough basic physics to know why it happened like that. You'd also be able to think and evaluate evidence. Here's an experiment. Set your house on fire, now observe if it eventually pancakes as you and the other retards think it should or if if turns into a big pile of flaming rubble.

& this is a dreadful example. a large skyscraper is a lot better engineered than a house. hah.

I actually don't see the point in giving you evidence because I think you're unlikely to go and buy the books I suggest anyway.
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Re: Will Al Qaeda attack the US in 2009

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Brenton wrote:
Way to move the goal posts, skippy. First you say "The government did it" and after you get called on it you backpeddle into "the Government let it happy". This is going to be too easy.

Not really, if they let it happen they still did it. It's the same as the Jesus character quote about a man hating someone has murdered in his heart.


No, it's not. One is committing an action, the other is simple negligence, the two are not the same. Good thing you're not a lawyer.



So basically what you're saying is that the US Airforce failed to protect us from a threat that they were not designed to defend us against, weren't authorized to defend us against, and until that day had NEVER EXISTED BEFORE. Good job, slack wit, you've managed to impress me with how stupid another human being can actual become.

That's an excuse the Bush admin., has fed you and you've swallowed the poop they've fed ya! Hilarious.[/quote]

NORAD was not formed to shoot down commercial passenger liners, asshole.


"North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a joint organization of Canada and the United States that provides aerospace warning, air sovereignty and defense for North America."
This means full air defense.


No, it does not. They provide air defense against strategic threats, like the bombers and missiles of other nations. They DO NOT provide defense against commercial passenger aircraft. Unless you can show me in the NORAD charter where it says "we also monitor and engage civilians aircraft" you are wrong.


Lets take into account the ridiculous notion by Condoleeza Rice (couldn't care less about spelling of her name) when she mad the comment "I don't think anyone could have imagined that they would use hijacked airplanes as a missile." This would be ok, except when you realise that practice defense operations that had been carried out not too long prior 9/11 involved hijacked airlines with one of the targets being the WTC.
"In an attempt to explain NORAD's poor performance in the attacks on September 11, 2001, Bush Administration officers claimed that NORAD was never tasked to monitor the skies inside America, that the defense agency was tasked to "looking outward" on 9/11 only,[7] contradicting the historical fact that NORAD never ceased its "inward looking" mission of "Air Sovereignty"."


Except CONR has never trained for missions against civilian passenger aircraft. Either show actual evidence of them having done so, and by evidence I want operation names, dates, and units involved, or concede the point, idiot.


"Since the founding of NORAD in 1958 the defense organization has had three missions: (1) Surveillance and Control of the airspace covering the United States and Canada; (2) Warning the National Command Authorities of an aerospace attack approaching the North American continent; and (3) Providing a proper response to an aerospace attack approaching the North American continent."
There is no hint of military protection only, this is a 100% protection thing.


No, it is not. They cannot provide for defense against a threat that previously did not exist, and that they did not have permission to engage. Once again, show so damned evidence to back your claims that NORAD has 1. has been training to provide defense against civilian passenger aircraft, 2. has the funding and operational assets to carry that role out prior to 9-11-01, and 3. has NCA authorization to engage targets at will.

Otherwise, shut the “F” up.


Patented thermite is called thermate and is used especially by the deconstruction industry. It has a higher level of sulfate, among other things.


BS. Show us a manufacturer for "patented" thermite then. While your at it, show a MILSPEC number and BATF registration for "patented" thermite and manufacturers of the same. Other then Thermate-TH3, there aren't any other brands or types of Thermite used by the US military, and ever worse, that stuff leaves a very easy to trace chemical signature when used. So while you're at it, show us evidence that Thermate-TH3 was used, and I want an official source, not another of your half-assed conspiracy websites.


The burning plane and all to weaken the structure would work as a total theory - if the fires hadn't started to go out on both of the collapses and especially on one of the buildings which just had black smoke and nothing else.


No other mechanism is need other than well over 100,000kg of aircraft moving at more than 600kmh, spraying several tons of Jet-A and shredded aluminum in the building, time, and gravity, dickhead. Go look up Occam's Razor and learn some goddamned physics.


Then you also have to ask -- were things burning down the very bottom of the tower?


As a matter of fact, no I don't have to ask. Or did you miss all the burning debris coming down from the impact sites of both aircraft that struck towers 1 and 2?


I could understand if part of the building had collapsed, but there just wasn't enough damage for the perfect collapse we see. The very reason the buildings collapsed into their footprint is because of the sub-basement explosions, which we know happened because of witness testimony.


Once again, show evidence of this "sub-basement explosion", and by evidence I mean official reports, not more conspiracy site BS.

Building 7 was struck by a lot of burning debris from the two main towers, which in turn started fires that burned out of control for hours due to a lack of water and man power available to fight them. Pretty simple.

Take a look at the burning building, there were fires on only a few floors. The building was not burning furiously. I'm not going to speculate, but it collapses perfectly to the controlled demolition pattern.[/quote]

So now you're saying that somehow, someone got several thousand pounds of explosives into WTC 7, undermined hundreds of key structural members, and managed to do this without ANYONE NOTICING? Go look up controlled demolitions, jackass. They take a lot of time, planning, and they are extremely noticeable during set up.


At the end of the day, tall buildings don't fall at free-fall. A physics teacher will tell you that, and many have told me.


Ok, then show me some math to back your claim, dickhead. Also, appeals to authority (i.e. "my science teacher told me") are a debate fallacy. I could give less than a crap about your "physics teacher". In fact, I highly doubt you've ever even participated in a formal physics course of any kind.


Well I've already showed you a fairly credible article for the 1993 WTC attack. I could provide more if you wanted.


You've shown nothing but conjecture and conspiracy websites. nothing at all credible, sourced, or even remotely convincing. Now either provide the evidence I asked for or concede the point, shitbird.



What the problem comes down to is your critical thinking. Go and talk to, 25 physics teachers who are not biased in any way. Show them videos of the WTC collapsing, and you can bet that the majority, if they're honest and apply the laws of physics to their understanding of what they've seen -- they're not going to call it a regular collapse.


hey, look! More BS instead of hard evidence! Not my job top ask anyone or to go find evidence for you. You made the claims, you provide the evidence to back them up. Either do so or shut the hell up.


The rest of your post is more worthless babbling about conspiracies.
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No, it's not. One is committing an action, the other is simple negligence, the two are not the same. Good thing you're not a lawyer.

You didn't get my point, which is intent. Also, law has no relativity to this discussion because it's so outmoded.

NORAD was not formed to shoot down commercial passenger liners, asshole.

But it was formed to protect the skies, which includes shooting down hijacked airplanes. The airlines knew they were hijacked before the actual disaster came to total fruition.

Unless you can show me in the NORAD charter where it says "we also monitor and engage civilians aircraft" you are wrong.

They monitor the skies, period. Do you honestly think the U.S., government wouldn't be monitoring something? They monitor just about everything.

Have you seen that USA Today report, in which practice missions were done hypothetically saying WTC to be target. I'll see if I can find it, I've only got a snippet of it.
My job isn't to provide you with hard evidence, the point of me even bothering to discuss this with you while you've got a closed world view is for you to critically investigate it yourself instead of believing all the rape the government feeds you day after day.

and I want an official source, not another of your half-assed conspiracy websites.

That's exactly my point. I could discuss this with you black-and-blue but there's no point because you'll only accept a source which is approved by your oligarchy. If you think your government has nothing but your best interests at heart, and each consecutive government will continue to do so, then that's your choice -- I'm not going to bother discussing it with you because obviously "official" government reports aren't going to incriminate themselves. This is on a par with saying concentration camps didn't exist because they weren't widely known about at the time of their use.

Once again, show evidence of this "sub-basement explosion", and by evidence I mean official reports, not more conspiracy site b***s***.

So a witness, working there on the day, is a conspirator.. fine.

So now you're saying that somehow, someone got several thousand pounds of explosives into WTC 7, undermined hundreds of key structural members, and managed to do this without ANYONE NOTICING? Go look up controlled demolitions, jackass. They take a lot of time, planning, and they are extremely noticeable during set up.

I know all about controlled demolitions, and so forth. But the issue is the fact that it came down from very little structural damage. Fire doesn't destroy decent stuctures like these, it will destroy the inside, but the structure will stay put.

Ok, then show me some math to back your claim, dickhead. Also, appeals to authority (i.e. "my science teacher told me") are a debate fallacy. I could give less than a s*** about your "physics teacher". In fact, I highly doubt you've ever even participated in a formal physics course of any kind.

I haven't participated in a physics course, no. But I have spent accountable time talking with people who have.
Simple; buildings fall in the path of least resistance, which, for an established structure, is not down.

The end result is you wont accept anything unless it's "official" and that's the point, so why would I bother discussing with you because you have no respect for independent research even though history shows that usually those viewed as "fools, idiots, etc.," at the time turn out to be accepted and even generally right in the future.

You'll remember, when the time is right. I haven't the time or the bother to convince you of anything. You're the sort of person who can only have their mind changed on an issue if they're first looking to have it changed, a "what else is there [to say about X]?" if you will.

So I'm just not bothering.
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Re: Will Al Qaeda attack the US in 2009

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Brenton wrote:
No, it's not. One is committing an action, the other is simple negligence, the two are not the same. Good thing you're not a lawyer.

You didn't get my point, which is intent.


So now you're claiming motive and intent, yet you can't show what either would be. Oh wait, "oil" or some lame crap, right?


Brenton wrote:Also, law has no relativity to this discussion because it's so outmoded.


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But it was formed to protect the skies, which includes shooting down hijacked airplanes. The airlines knew they were hijacked before the actual disaster came to total fruition.


No, NORAD was formed to provide a mutual air defense and early warning system for the United States and Canada vs an attack by the USSR. It never was designed or even intended to provide air defense against civilian passenger aircraft. If they were, then they would have radars pointing inwards instead of outwards from our boarders.

Unless you can show me in the NORAD charter where it says "we also monitor and engage civilians aircraft" you are wrong.

They monitor the skies, period. Do you honestly think the U.S., government wouldn't be monitoring something? They monitor just about everything.


No, they don't. If that was the case then show me the C3I and installations that do this. Then name the specific command and units assigned to that task prior to 9-11-01.

In other words, stop talking out of your ass.


Have you seen that USA Today report, in which practice missions were done hypothetically saying WTC to be target. I'll see if I can find it, I've only got a snippet of it.


I want to see operation names, units involved, and times and dates of such. BS conjecture and unsubstantiated what-ifs don't cut it.


My job isn't to provide you with hard evidence


Actually, since you're the one making the claims it IS up to you to provide evidence for those claims when asked. Since you're either unwilling or unable to do so then one must conclude that you are full of crap.


, the point of me even bothering to discuss this with you while you've got a closed world view is for you to critically investigate it yourself instead of believing all the rape the government feeds you day after day.


Yes, because I demand evidence instead of retardedly contrived supposition and crackpot conspiracy wanking I obviously have a "closed mind". Seriously, go find an interstate overpass and jump in front of a speeding semi. Make sure you do this before you manage to have children and pass on your genes and doom another generation to having to put up with your idiocy.


That's exactly my point. I could discuss this with you black-and-blue but there's no point because you'll only accept a source which is approved by your oligarchy. If you think your government has nothing but your best interests at heart, and each consecutive government will continue to do so, then that's your choice -- I'm not going to bother discussing it with you because obviously "official" government reports aren't going to incriminate themselves. This is on a par with saying concentration camps didn't exist because they weren't widely known about at the time of their use.


Plain English Translation: I have no evidence and cannot verify any of my claims.

There, fixed it for you.


So a witness, working there on the day, is a conspirator.. fine.


Then name him.


I know all about controlled demolitions, and so forth.


Yet you have no goddamned clue about how long it takes and how bleedingly obvious it is setting up one. So what you're sating is that dozens of men breaking out insulation around support beams, cutting into those beams with torches, and rigging those beams with several thousand pounds of explosives without anyone noticing...

And you wonder why I think you're a giant idiot.


But the issue is the fact that it came down from very little structural damage. Fire doesn't destroy decent stuctures like these, it will destroy the inside, but the structure will stay put.


Fire destroys structures like that just fine. I guess you missed what I was saying earlier about how heat weakens steel...


I haven't participated in a physics course, no.


So then you admit that you don't have the first idea what you're talking about.


But I have spent accountable time talking with people who have.


Then ask one of them to register and argue the point for you as it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about.


Simple; buildings fall in the path of least resistance, which, for an established structure, is not down.


I guess in your universe inertia, momentum, and kinetic energy don't damned exist, huh?


So I'm just not bothering.


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Re: Will Al Qaeda attack the US in 2009

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Brenton
But it was formed to protect the skies, which includes shooting down hijacked airplanes. The airlines knew they were hijacked before the actual disaster came to total fruition.


Please show me proof that prior to Sept 11, NORAD was authorized to shoot down hijacked commercial airliners. I'd also like to see evidence of the chain of command under which you think such authorization would occur.
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Re: Will Al Qaeda attack the US in 2009

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Yet you have no goddamned clue about how long it takes and how bleedingly obvious it is setting up one. So what you're sating is that dozens of men breaking out insulation around support beams, cutting into those beams with torches, and rigging those beams with several thousand pounds of explosives without anyone noticing...

That one is simple.
All large buildings in NYC are designed to fall in their footprint, so a lot of what you're stating wouldn't be necesary.

Then name him.

I actually have video of the guy testifying.

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Edit: I had originally said I'd go to the bother looking for you, but at this time I couldn't care less because you don't seem to be able to hold up an actual intelligent conversation in the first place. This is clearly evident by your continuous use of derogatory language and personal attacks toward me. What this actually shows is that you're offended by me (psychologically speaking, anyway - if someone "questions" the truth of someones "sacred story" then the believers get angry, denounce the person as a blasphemer -- otherwise known as "damage control") and so unless you can say that you're able to discuss in a calm, collected and sociable manner then I'd rather not bother.
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