Art: One Nation Under Socialism

[_Droopy]

Just wondering how there was an Constitution left to burn after Bush.

Just can't stand the very idea of the United States actually defending itself against indigenous Muslim terrorists, can you? Just can't stand the idea of America actually taking legal action and setting legal precedent for gathering intelligence and intervening before another 9/11 takes place perpetrated by indigenous American Islamists.

After all, America deserves to die, doesn't it, Bond? Its the worst of all possible places comprising the worst of all possible political and economic principles and containing the worst of all possible peoples.

So sad, aren't you, that America couldn't be more like those places in the world in which the principles of "social justice," equality, fairness, human rights, and compassion for the poor, downtrodden, and disenfranchised are enshrined and observed as the very cornerstone of civil society and human felicity.

Someplace like...North Vietnam, eh Bond?

[_Droopy]

Bc, is your problem with Obama the fact that he is black?

I see your brain cells are just crackling with energy today, Drifting.

Quite pathetic, but, just another day in Mr. Rogers Trailerpark.

[_Droopy]

Bc, is your problem with Obama the fact that he is black?

No. I grew up in racially mixed elementary and high schools. I dated interracially. I served a mission in downtown LA; many of our converts were black and I had a missionary companion from Kenya (he and his brother were the first from that country) for six months. We were ZL's together. We were signed up as roommates up at Rick's except I ended up marrying before that could happen.

Drifting, have you ever felt, well, just plain dumb? Have you ever felt that you had just made an abject fool of yourself and put yourself on a silver platter with an apple in your mouth for all to see? As a leftist, no doubt this experience has not been uncommon throughout your life up to this point, but stepping in it to this degree really took chutzpah. My hat goes of to you, sir.

My problem with Obama stems solely from the fact that he is a Democrat.

You see, the Anointed have to be told these kinds of things repeatedly because they find it extremely difficult to understand the concept of their actually being other principled philosophies in the world that disagree with their own beliefs. This is the primary problem with adopting a belief system that creates a hermetically sealed vacuum between the the belief system and all external checks and feedbacks from reality.

I would never vote for a Democrat at this point in time or anyone to the left of them politically. LDS doctrine is incompatible in every way with the Left and I am of course, LDS.

I detect red, pulsating toes throbbing in the night here after having been stepped on by a ski boot (if only I could get away with saying this kind of thing over at the MDD board. I have a dream...)

Those Democrats running as nominal conservatives now suffer from Romans 1:32.

Yeah, kind of like Joanna...well, that's for another thread (but I doubt she's a liberal wearing a conservative mask...quite the contrary).

If there were an actual conservative Democrat in existence and voting organizationally as a Democrat did not result in supporting the Left, I might vote for that Democrat. When I became eligible to vote in the 80's, the Democrats as a whole were already too far Left to vote for any of the remaining conservatives among them as such merely ensured more organizational votes giving them congressional majorities. The Left-wing infection has gotten much much worse for Democrats since then.

The Democrat party is, in essence, an contemporary indigenous American Fabian socialist party with leanings, in some cases, even farther to the Left that that, or beyond an already heavy-handed democratic socialism and into darker regions still.

[_Doctor Steuss]

Come on Bond, be honest now. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Do you actively seek to turn babies gay that you are unable to abort?

How often do you utilize copies of America’s founding documents to smoke dope?

Do you prefer Pepsi over Coke?

Have you ever found yourself enjoying French kissing more than American kissing?














They can take our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM FRIES!

[Guest]

Just wondering how there was an Constitution left to burn after Bush.

Just can't stand the very idea of the United States actually defending itself against indigenous Muslim terrorists, can you? Just can't stand the idea of America actually taking legal action and setting legal precedent for gathering intelligence and intervening before another 9/11 takes place perpetrated by indigenous American Islamists.

When you submit video of yourself being water boarded for 3 mins I'll stop calling water boarding torture. I'll still always have the American bases in Saudi Arabia which were one of the meta reasons they hated us in the first place.

After all, America deserves to die, doesn't it, Bond? Its the worst of all possible places comprising the worst of all possible political and economic principles and containing the worst of all possible peoples.

No. And no. But I recognize it's flaws and bad actions throughout history, unlike you.

So sad, aren't you, that America couldn't be more like those places in the world in which the principles of "social justice," equality, fairness, human rights, and compassion for the poor, downtrodden, and disenfranchised are enshrined and observed as the very cornerstone of civil society and human felicity.

I'm not sad. I like America pretty good. Are you having a sad?

Someplace like...North Vietnam, eh Bond?

You're in denial that the Ho Chi Minh led a nationalist revolt against the French colonials. I'm sure as soon as you get past that denial you'll get that Ph.D and begin teaching courses in American foreign policy post WWII. Since you're so correct about Vietnam I doubt you'll have any problem advocating your positions to a thesis or dissertation committee.

[_Bond James Bond]

Come on Bond, be honest now. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

No. But I can tell you the difference between fascism and communism...unlike some people.

Do you actively seek to turn babies gay that you are unable to abort?

No. But I support women's freedom to choose the direction of their reproductive systems, unlike some people.

How often do you utilize copies of America’s founding documents to smoke dope?

No. I don't do drugs. Unlike some people.

Do you prefer Pepsi over Coke?

Diet Coke. And not with bourbon like some people.

Have you ever found yourself enjoying French kissing more than American kissing?

French kissing, tickling, etc. It's all good.

They can take our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM FRIES!

In college, where I'm about to receive an advanced degree in history, I learned that William Wallace didn't wear a kilt. It gave me a minor sad.

[_Droopy]

You're in denial that the Ho Chi Minh led a nationalist revolt against the French colonials. I'm sure as soon as you get past that denial you'll get that Ph.D and begin teaching courses in American foreign policy post WWII. Since you're so correct about Vietnam I doubt you'll have any problem advocating your positions to a thesis or dissertation committee.

Ho Chi Minh was French educated Marxist ideologue and a creature of the Soviet Union, having been a member of the Comintern before turning to the communization of South East Asia. Ho was a totalitarian socialist revolutionary seeking the enslavement and subjugation, not only of the people of North Vietnam (which he accomplished) but of the people of South Vietnam, and independent, sovereign nation the vast majority of who's peoples, according to opinion polls taken there in that era, wanted nothing to do with Ho's worker's paradise.

Do a little reading and study, Bond (just this once). Ho was a blood drenched totalitarian despot, who, just as Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin before him, used nationalism and ethnic pride as a vector for his true purposes and goals - totalitarian slavery.

You Eloi are going to make an end of this society, and very soon at that.

[Guest]

Ho was a totalitarian socialist revolutionary seeking the enslavement and subjugation, not only of the people of North Vietnam (which he accomplished) but of the people of South Vietnam, and independent, sovereign nation the vast majority of who's peoples, according to opinion polls taken there in that era, wanted nothing to do with Ho's worker's paradise.

I quote Melvyn Leffler's (one of the great Cold War scholars) epic national security tome A Preponderance of Power (pg. 258-259):

"During 1948 U.S. diplomats in Indochina reported that Ho Chi Minh's Communist-dominated Viet Minh had the overwhelming support of the local population . Ho "is the strongest and perhaps the ablest figure in Indochina," acknowledged the State Department. The French could not defeat him militarily."

Leffler sourced the obviously communist U.S. State Department as well as communist dupe Sec. of State Marshall's private memos.

Leffler went on to rhetorically ask America's foreign policy community (pg 381):

"What could be done in a place like Indochina, where the Communists embodied the nationalist aspirations of the Vietnamese people and where...non-Communist nationalists were poorly organized and bereft of charismatic leadership?"

onward to pg 433:

"U.S. officials knew Stalin and Mao bore little responsibility for the successes of the Viet Minh. The amount of aid coming from the Soviet Union was miniscule. Until 1950 Chinese assistance was believed to have been negligible...The real source of Ho's success , as everyone freely acknowledged, was his nationalism. 'It is ironic but...true,' wrote Charlton Ogburn, a young foreign service officer..."that Asians fighting on the Communist side...have the inspiring sense of fighting for national freedom."

moar (same page):

Donald Heath, America's top diplomat in Indochina said that the "fact is Ho Chi Minh is [the] only Viet who enjoys any measure of national prestige" and that "Acheson privately agreed".

even moar (from the conclusion, pg 508):

"U.S. officials exaggerated the ability of the Soviet Union to capitalize on the rising tide of nationalism in the Third World and incorrectly assessed the relationship between most Third World Communists and Moscow...Nowhere was that more true than in Indochina, where the case for Ho Chi Minh's subservience to the Kremlin was always assumed rather than proved."

by the way Leffler said Chinese aid to Ho's army was far more substantial than any Soviet aid (all of which was dwarfed by American aid to first France and then Bao Dai/Ngo Dinh Diem.)

[_Morley]

Bond: +1

[_moksha]

You Eloi are going to make an end of this society, and very soon at that.

As soon as Bond starts thinking like a Morlock then he too can be bond servant to Shub-Niggurath. Long may he bask in Shub-Niggurath's trickle down!