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ajax18 wrote:
When you shoot somebody to end a fight that you started, it isn’t self-defense.


So even if Trayvon threw the first punch, Zimmerman started the fight in your opinion, correct?

An angry man with a gun was stalking Martin. Did Martin have "reasonable belief" that the angry man with a gun was a threat? If so, Stand Your Ground implies Martin had the right to neutralize the threat by shooting Zimmerman. If Martin had the right to neutralize the threat with a bullet, he likewise had the right to neutralize the threat with his fists. So even if Martin threw the first punch, Zimmerman started it.
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Do you believe that Trayvon would have had to have seen this gun before he threw the first punch to justify throwing the first punch, or does it not really matter whether he saw it or not, just that Zimmerman did turn out to have a concealed handgun?

Do you believe if the fight had not ended with George shooting Trayvon, but just Trayvon giving George a thorough beat down, Trayvon should not have been charged with any crime, given the hypothetical scenario I outlined.
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ajax18 wrote:Do you believe that Trayvon would have had to have seen this gun before he threw the first punch to justify throwing the first punch, or does it not really matter whether he saw it or not, just that Zimmerman did turn out to have a concealed handgun?

Do you believe if the fight had not ended with George shooting Trayvon, but just Trayvon giving George a thorough beat down, Trayvon should not have been charged with any crime, given the hypothetical scenario I outlined.

According to "stand your ground," as long as he had reasonable grounds to feel threatened, he was authorized to respond with deadly force.

If Zimmerman wouldn't have killed Martin, then of course Martin should have been convicted of assault and battery or whatever.
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So does anyone want to have a discussion about gun control? Because I think we could do with a few less handguns. :neutral:
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So does anyone want to have a discussion about gun control? Because I think we could do with a few less handguns.


Here's the way I see it Bond. The current laws were developed for European cultures and people living mostly in a rural setting. For the most part, these laws work fine in the red states and we don't care to change them. Under this system, I do believe people have the right to stockpile any weapon the government wants to use. Part of freedom, is the right to revolt.

Why can't we have a separate set of laws for people of different cultures especially in urban areas? In a way it seems we do with city ordinances. If we got to keep our guns in rural areas, that wouldn't be the reason that urban criminals would continue to have a supply of guns. I'm fine with you taking peoples guns away in the cities. But it's not going to matter. Criminals will still get guns just like they still get drugs.

God didn't make all men equal, Mr. Colt did. I'm not sure guys with short man syndrome, women who like the power a gun provides them, would like having their guns taken away either.

As for me, I'll continue to hang my shotgun over the mantle. It's part of my family tradition. It's my culture and it works fine for us, so leave us alone.
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Unfortunately, the Sanford police department forgot to administer a drug and alcohol text on Mr. George Zimmerman.
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Eric wrote:I've been asked to write on this topic elsewhere and in doing a review of developments in the case I was very surprised to find the following:

CBS wrote:The court documents also show that prior to the shooting, Zimmerman had received prescriptions for Adderall and Temazepam, which have been shown to cause agitation and mood swings, though in less than 10 percent of consumers.

The report also shows Zimmerman said he felt stressed and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." Despite the head injuries, he wasn't diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor recommended that Zimmerman be evaluated by a psychologist.

Zimmerman declined being admitted to a hospital for treatment on the night of the shooting, according to the report. He didn't take his doctor's advice to schedule a later visit with an ear, nose and throat physician.


So Zimmerman was on Benzodiazepines and pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine. Holy smokes.


This is just typical mainstream media ideological kangaroo court prosecution by insinuation and suggestion minus a shred of facts regarding the actual incident. Those are now well known, as far as both eyewitness testimony (the physical attack on Zimmerman was observed, on the night the shooting happened) and the medical facts of the case.

And it is only the facts of the case that matter, not what CBS or Eric the Red thinks may have happened and who's ideological side they want to cheer for.

And then I saw this picture of Zimmerman taken a few hours after the second-degree murder.


You'd better read Alan Dershowitz' piece again. There is no possible way you can claim Zimmerman committed second degree murder - or, as things stand at this point, "murder" of any kind. Right now, "No Limit Nigga" and the special prosecutor appear to be the major perps in the line-up.

The photo is absent of any indication of a head wound or "wounds" and his face looks remarkably unmarked for someone who had to -- just hours before the photo -- exercise deadly force on a teenage boy.
Holy smokes.


Yes, Eric, the man on the grassy knoll cleaned him all up for the camera's before the picture was taken. The evil forces of white supremacy and of Hispanic/white supremacy and of black/Hispanic/white (Zimmerman's grandfather was black) supremacy are on the march.

Bolt your doors, lock your windows, and call reverend Al.
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Analytics wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Did they mention anything about the bullet hole in Trayvon's body?

Exactly. The spirit of "stand your ground" would seem to give you permission to punch somebody who is coming after you with a gun.



In the case of an older man facing a large young man half his age engaged in a brutal and continuous physical assault (for no apparent reason), one is allowed to use deadly force to prevent potentially being beaten into a vegetative state.

Too bad Reginald Denny wasn't armed in 1992 when he faced the L.A. Four.
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Eric wrote:I could be wrong but that sure doesn't look like a picture of a broken nose or two black eyes.



Let's forget the CBS legal analyst (it was the hack mainstream media, in full bloom, who misreported this entire story in the first place and created the racial lynch mob mentality that has governed this entire case and story from its inception).

I know, Eric, that in the places you look to as icons of a better world - the old Soviet Union, Cuba, East Germany, communist China under Mao, Nazi Germany etc., ideological/class enemies can be tried, convicted, and sentenced in a controlled media and simply assumed to be guilty, not because of what they did, but because of who they are, but this is still America and some of us are still resistant to a criminal justices system based, not on facts and evidence, but on status.

The degree to which the Left - everywhere - as all but abandoned even the pretense of blind criminal justice, and now assumes guilt or innocence based upon the racial characteristics of the participants in any violent encounter, is really, really scary.

All one has to do to see what is coming across the nation, when the Left really has overwhelming control of the levers of power, is spend some time on any major American college or university.

This is nothing more than the Duke rape case all over again. Same bat time, same bat channel.
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An angry man with a gun was stalking Martin.


1. CFR that he was "angry" at the time he was following Martin.

2. How did Martin know he had a gun from a distance, at night?

Did Martin have "reasonable belief" that the angry man with a gun was a threat? If so, Stand Your Ground implies Martin had the right to neutralize the threat by shooting Zimmerman.


What reason did Martin have to think a security guard, at night, in a gated community of which he was not a resident and was milling around and loitering in, was a threat to him? I know you're making all of this up as you go along, Analytics, but just to keep up appearances, what is your evidence for any of this (not that facts or actual evidence of any clarity will matter)?

If Martin had the right to neutralize the threat with a bullet, he likewise had the right to neutralize the threat with his fists. So even if Martin threw the first punch, Zimmerman started it.


Now, let's translate this out of Leftese and into English: war is peace, freedom is slavery, black is white, and if you're black, a violent, brutal assault upon someone who had initiated no physical aggression of their own is not aggression but self defense because Trayvon Martin's ancestors came across the Atlantic in slave ships and picked cotton in the old South under the burning sun, and languished under the yoke of Jim Crow, segregation, and discrimination into the middle of the 20th century.

Its just another justified and understandable act of collective vengeance upon Whitey for his centuries of mistreatment and bigotry against Trayvon Martin's tribe. Even if Zimmerman had been siting on the curb eating a sandwich, Martin would have been justified in attacking and beating Zimmerman so long as there was any reason to think he was a security guard (representing the oppressive and racist white oversoceity) and was there to protect the neighborhood from criminals such as Trayvon Martin (which is something we also now know to be the case).

if a security guard is shadowing/following a young black male at night in a gated community in which that young black male does not live, that young black male, being, as far as the Left is concerned, a representative of a collective victim group from whom, because of that historic victimization, all the rules, norms, and standards of civilized society have been waived, and from whom little if any civilized behavior is expected, has the right to attack and beat someone, not for being a threat to them, but for...following a young black male in an apartment complex.

That's what Zimmerman did to warrant his beating at the hands of "No Limit Nigga."

What did Reginald Denny do to deserve his savage crippling?
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