LDS Teenager Murdered at her High School in Parkland

[_Themis]

Sounds good to me. I just don't know that it addresses the problems we have with regards to mass killings or school shootings.

Easy, better laws and restriction of guns capable of killing people quickly means a reduction in the number of people being killed in each event as well as the number of events. The harder it is to get guns that are made to kill lots of people means other less dangerous weapons will be used instead, or as they try to get illegal weapons they increase the likelihood of being stopped before they make an attack. This latest shooting looks like it was an impulse shooting shortly after being expelled. In other western counties he would not had the means to get such a deadly weapon. Certainly there are other issues here that should not be ignored, but the gun issue is a big one that is being ignored by those who have the power to makes proper changes.

[_Themis]

So why do we see no one in Canada using the AR-15's to commit acts of violence? They are legal to own in Canada.

[_candygal]

First of all, I am sorry about your acquaintance and your grand daughter's friend. I will never understand how a relatively civilized nation can end of having almost 20 school shootings!! My love and condolences to you and family as well as all of the community in Florida.

The thing is...this is not just a gun issue. Although I believe every American should be able to have protection for home, property, and family..I believe certain weapons should only be obtained that are for police and military...there is no reason why Joe Blow should own and semi automatic weapon. That being said..this is a society and mental health issue. You find a kid that has no real home life...always in trouble for attention...and he/she is ripe for brainwash filled with ...we are your family...we got your back...kind of thing..let alone an issue where someone is just hearing voices...we need to do something else..I hope because this shooter is still alive and did not shoot himself..(which is rare) that he can provide a profile of what we can be looking for and for heaven's sakes use those police lines that are available!

One might be able to understand better a mental health issue...when realizing that talking to parents of shooters...they had not clue???? C'mon..no one is paying attention.

My hope is while police/FBI are searching this young man's media...that they also look into all those acquaintences...

[_Themis]

The thing is...this is not just a gun issue.

Of course it is. Maybe not in other countries, but in the US it is certainly an important issue contributing to the problem. Everyone understands there are other important factors that always need to be looked at or reviewed to see if more can be done to avoid or lesson these events.

[_candygal]

The thing is...this is not just a gun issue.

Of course it is. Maybe not in other countries, but in the US it is certainly an important issue contributing to the problem. Everyone understands there are other important factors that always need to be looked at or reviewed to see if more can be done to avoid or lesson these events.

It is an issue but not the only one...not a key one...it is not JUST the ONLY issue.

[_Themis]

Of course it is. Maybe not in other countries, but in the US it is certainly an important issue contributing to the problem. Everyone understands there are other important factors that always need to be looked at or reviewed to see if more can be done to avoid or lesson these events.

It is an issue but not the only one...not a key one...it is not JUST the ONLY issue.

Sure, and you can see in my post you quote saying it is not the only one. It is a key one in the US because it results in so many deaths each year of innocent people. There may be things we can do to stop problems and deal with them before they result in violence, but there is only so much that can be done. People acting out in violent ways is not a rare event in other countries. It's just that these events usually don't involve as deadly of weapons and result in less people dying. That makes it a key issue in an area where they can easily obtain very deadly weapons.

[_cinepro]

So why do we see no one in Canada using the AR-15's to commit acts of violence? They are legal to own in Canada.

But Noah says the difference between Canada and the U.S. is not the availability of the weapon itself [AR-15], but the training and screening process that precedes a purchase.

In Orlando, “this guy obtained his guns legally. He passed two background checks in a two-day period to buy these,” Noah says.

Canada has a much more arduous firearms safety training and permitting process.

The screening overseen by the RCMP is completed manually and includes interviews with at least two people whose names are provided by the applicant and can include others, such as former conjugal partners or local law enforcement.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ar-15-can-be- ... 16624.html

[_Stem]

Easy, better laws and restriction of guns capable of killing people quickly means a reduction in the number of people being killed in each event as well as the number of events.

Sometimes the easy is misleading. It's possible if tighter restrictions come into play, and "better" laws are made, that after such are implemented, more people die in mass killings. That doesn't mean gun restrictions shouldn't be put in place. But this is so heavily political it hardly seems to address the real issues (whatever they may be). These crazy killing events are random in so many ways. Some seem heavily planned, like in Vegas, others seem like they happen as soon as a killer feels wronged in some way. if they are planned it doesn't take much imagination to realize that without access that the person can't kill as many or more people. And it takes even less imagination that such a killer simply couldn't have access to these weapons illegally anyway.

The harder it is to get guns that are made to kill lots of people means other less dangerous weapons will be used instead, or as they try to get illegal weapons they increase the likelihood of being stopped before they make an attack. This latest shooting looks like it was an impulse shooting shortly after being expelled. In other western counties he would not had the means to get such a deadly weapon. Certainly there are other issues here that should not be ignored, but the gun issue is a big one that is being ignored by those who have the power to makes proper changes.

I'm a supporter of more gun control. I just don't think it alone addresses our problems that are not fully exposed when these killings happen.

[_Yahoo Bot]

We need to repeal laws that shield gun manufacturers from liability. They have special protections that no other industry has. I would like to see them whipped with lawsuits until their lobby crumbles and they are more like today's tobacco industry. Both industries create a health hazard to users and those around them.

I certainly agree with this rather than with the OP. There is no need for favorable legislation (i.e., the Second Amendment) for the gun industry. With standard tort law, guns will become prohibitively expensive and there will always be money to pay claims to parents like those at Parkland.

Unfortunately, The Dude's post is uninformed. There isn't legislation to shield manufacturers. The Courts have construed the Second Amendment to shield manufacturers. But, if I'm wrong, the legislation should be repealed.

Outlawing guns won't work. Prohibition doesn't work.

But, as voters, nobody should ever vote for anybody who takes money from the NRA. Doesn't matter what party.

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But, as voters, nobody should ever vote for anybody who takes money from the NRA. Doesn't matter what party.

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