Latest School Shooting - Nobody Cares

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I don't recall where I read it or I would post a link, but after a past shooting I read an article that made a point that really sank in for me. It talked about a study of Londoners who lived during the Blitz and described a real difference between those who were in a near miss situation with bombings compared to people who weren't but obviously were affected as it was impossible to be in London and not hear the bombs going off and the repercussions around them. It noted that those who experienced near misses, meaning they were very nearly killed and saw upfront the horrible effects of the bomb that almost got them were deeply traumatized. Those who survived the Blitz but were never serious close to losing their life or directly in a blast that took life had a very different psychological experience that could include almost feeling invincible or something along those lines.

The point the article made was that our hearing about these terrible events isn't going to be enough to affect change because most of us aren't directly impacted by them. We feel for the victims and empathize with what they may be going through, but we don't actually experience the scope of the trauma it causes. The article pointed out that it took most Americans being impacted through the loss of a family member or friend to cancer before it really became public enemy #1.

So when a parent of a victim, who is also very much a victim themselves, practically screams out their anguish asking that something be done to deal with the guns it will fall on deaf ears in Washington. Until they come to know the trauma themselves, maybe. Who knows if that would even get through. It would be incredibly morbid, but I think about how Trump reacted to seeing pictures of kids who died during a chemical attack in Syria and suddenly getting serious about what was going on there and wonder if maybe the media needs to really, REALLY put the effects of this crap front and center on the news rather than just talk about. Maybe seeing a room of dead bodies of young lives taken away is what the politicians and the people who can't see past their fictional view of the Constitution need for it to start to really sink in.
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honorentheos wrote:So when a parent of a victim, who is also very much a victim themselves, practically screams out their anguish asking that something be done to deal with the guns it will fall on deaf ears in Washington. Until they come to know the trauma themselves, maybe. Who knows if that would even get through. It would be incredibly morbid, but I think about how Trump reacted to seeing pictures of kids who died during a chemical attack in Syria and suddenly getting serious about what was going on there and wonder if maybe the media needs to really, REALLY put the effects of this crap front and center on the news rather than just talk about. Maybe seeing a room of dead bodies of young lives taken away is what the politicians and the people who can't see past their fictional view of the Constitution need for it to start to really sink in.

Steve Scalise of Louisiana was just shot at a baseball practice. They have been close to it. I think they are impervious to both reason and personal experience when it comes to guns. It's about the money.
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The root of all evil is money in politics and propaganda machines. Here in the US we have too many voters that don't think rationally.
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moksha wrote:As the NRA points out AK-47s do not kill people; students kill people.

Karl Coryat made an excellent video exposing the stupidity of "guns don't kill people, people kill people"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHmZaBKqARo
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DoubtingThomas wrote:The root of all evil is money

If that's the case why do churches want so much of it?

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How can one be old enough to purchase a military-style weapon capable of killing dozens of people but not old enough to purchase a 6-pack of beer or a bottle of wine??
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Being honest here - its hard to care too much about things outside your control. I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the victims and their families, I really do. But after a few days, I will forget about it until someone brings the topic up again. But I'm that way about a lot of bad and horrible things that are in the news. I can't do a damn thing about them, and its not immediately impacting me or my family, so why burn energy on weeping and anguish. Its super crappy, but I doubt I'm alone. I can't even start with the atrocities committed all around the world. You kind of have to be numb to it all or you'd never get out of bed in the morning.

Relatively speaking though, mass shootings, as horrible as they are, are a rare thing, and among causes of death in the US, you can't even see the decimal point. Why isn't there the same anger and fury for heart disease, something largely preventable (614,348 deaths annually)? Even number 10 in the top 10 leading causes of death in the US (Suicide - 42,773) is still 39 times greater than all mass shoot deaths since 1966 (1077). (At least according to this link at the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.f05afe5abc00) If its just about the loss of life, there are a lot of things we should put our efforts to before "how to stop mass shootings".

Like it or not, guns are here and they aren't going anywhere. Banning them just means an even bigger black market and ensures only the criminals have them. If you can get all the drugs you want any time any where (despite our government having a war against them for the last 20 years) then you can be sure guns will still be everywhere even if banned or taxed into obscurity. But only the criminals will have them. That said, I'm all for more training, education, and background verification. Where I live, I can walk into any sporting goods store and in 30 minutes be just as armed as the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooter. While its convenient, I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm certainly pro-gun ownership, but I don't necessary believe they should be easy to get, even for an upstanding guy like myself with a spotless record.

Anyway, not sure I expressed myself accurately, but I tried.
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There is a ton of anger and fury over heart disease. That's why liberals are so passionate about universal health care.
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Black Moclips wrote:Being honest here - its hard to care too much about things outside your control. I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the victims and their families, I really do. But after a few days, I will forget about it until someone brings the topic up again. But I'm that way about a lot of bad and horrible things that are in the news. I can't do a damn thing about them, and its not immediately impacting me or my family, so why burn energy on weeping and anguish. Its super ____, but I doubt I'm alone. I can't even start with the atrocities committed all around the world. You kind of have to be numb to it all or you'd never get out of bed in the morning.

Relatively speaking though, mass shootings, as horrible as they are, are a rare thing, and among causes of death in the US, you can't even see the decimal point. Why isn't there the same anger and fury for heart disease, something largely preventable (614,348 deaths annually)? Even number 10 in the top 10 leading causes of death in the US (Suicide - 42,773) is still 39 times greater than all mass shoot deaths since 1966 (1077). (At least according to this link at the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.f05afe5abc00) If its just about the loss of life, there are a lot of things we should put our efforts to before "how to stop mass shootings".

Like it or not, guns are here and they aren't going anywhere. Banning them just means an even bigger black market and ensures only the criminals have them. If you can get all the drugs you want any time any where (despite our government having a war against them for the last 20 years) then you can be sure guns will still be everywhere even if banned or taxed into obscurity. But only the criminals will have them. That said, I'm all for more training, education, and background verification. Where I live, I can walk into any sporting goods store and in 30 minutes be just as armed as the Las Vegas Mandalay Bay shooter. While its convenient, I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm certainly pro-gun ownership, but I don't necessary believe they should be easy to get, even for an upstanding guy like myself with a spotless record.

Anyway, not sure I expressed myself accurately, but I tried.


I think you nailed the psychological reality of human nature and politics. That's why issues such as these persist because until they have personal meaning to you they're basically a costly abstraction with the cost being abstract, too.

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EAllusion wrote:There is a ton of anger and fury over heart disease. That's why liberals are so passionate about universal health care.

no, liberals aren't mad about heat disease, so stop that crap. .... and access to insurance doesn't cure heart disease, doesn't fund research, etc.... and these years that ACA had been around hasn't made a dent in heart disease.

health insurance is to health care as hunting license is to gun control.
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