Born with irremediable relationship incapacities?

[_Amore]

Jimhabegger,
I do appreciate your respectful way of discussing such issues, even if I disagree with some parts. You make a valid point about human potential. “In each of us is a bit of all of us.” We each have shadow (subconscious or hidden) aspects of ourselves - potentials not yet explored or made aware. Neurosis happens often because of a lack of sufficient conscious awareness. Having problems is not as much a problem as being unaware of the problems.

Ie: Some people I’ve known have thrown themselves into the homosexual lifestyle without consciously thinking about what they’re doing - but hurting themselves- even to the point of death. Indeed, statistics show that those who practice homosexuality seem to keep trying to find love, in vain - sleeping around contributing to high rates of STDs, AIDS/HIV besides other issues like mental illness and drug abuse. I can understand some of the pathology because after I suffered molestations and rape by different guys, I went through a time where I’d force myself to kiss guys I didn’t like... then I came to hate guys and considered liking girls. But deep down, I knew the reason I was going against my own anatomical & physiological truth was because I was injured - and projected that pain I suffered from some few guys to all guys in general. I learned- after trial and error- to listen to myself, to pay attention to my psychology and I have had healthier relationships and married a good guy. With time, spiritual help and lots of soul-searching, I’ve overcome a lot.

I can see how you could relate labelying someone solely based on a minor aspect of them (their deviated sexual preference) with labeling someone soley based on their race (their appearance that deviates from others in that society). While race is inborn and sexual preference is not, labeling someone based on such a small part of the greater complex person they are, is essentially pre-judging them/prejudice.

What your thread title suggests makes sense: it is ridiculous to claim inexperienced babies are born with neurosis known to develop after traumatic experience. At birth, our brains are only 25% developed - which helps us grow as we adapt to environmental stimuli. We come with genetic manifestations & potential... obviously sexuality in babies is not manifested. Studies (which have been discredited) have suggested sexual deviated preference potential is inborn. But genetic potential only manifests along with environmental cues (especially regarding relating to others). This is why most babies are born without problems and only later in life (after environmental triggers have influenced them) do problems manifest.

[_jimhabegger]

Amore, sorry it took me so long to respond to this. I haven't been receiving the notifications.

... even if I disagree with some parts.

I'm curious about where you're seeing disagreement between us. I might disagree with you if you're substituting "sexual preference" in the place of "orientation"; if you're calling all same-sex sexual intimacy "the homosexual lifestyle"; if you think that all same-sex sexual intimacy is against anatomical and physiological truth; if you think that the health issues you're associating with people who practice homosexuality have anything to do with anyone's gender or sex type; and about this:

While race is inborn ...

In saying that, what do you mean by "race"? If you mean for example "black," "white," "hispanic," "latino," and other race labels that are currently popular, then I disagree with you about that.

[_Amore]

Jimhabegger,
Yes, I agree that we disagree on those. :) Though I’m not sure what you mean by the racial issue. Personally I like cultures that aren’t quick to take offense with nicknames for racial or bodily characteristics. Ie: “Gringo”/Whitey, “Negrito”/Black, “Gordita”/Fatty. In latino cultures, such terms are used matter-of-factly and sometimes dearly, but here in the US, you could get sued or worse just by calling someone what they are. By the way most in the US can’t handle obvious truths may be at least partly why Caucasians suffer more from depression than some other races. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-whit ... hispanics/

Some things like human anatomy are axiomatic. Race is also undeniable, though in many parts, offspring are becoming more and more racially mixed, which is good genetically.

race: (anthropology) a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as inherently distinct by society; a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

Pretending a problem doesn’t exist (for fear of appearing racist) doesn’t make the problem magically disappear. Genetics are undeniable. And sometimes genetic problems present themselves in not just a small closely related family but a larger, related (though less closely) group.
Ie: “In the last four years, a number of studies have documented dramatic racial differences in the blood levels of a crucially important prehormone, 25-hydroxy vitamin D. These studies, when read in the context of clinical studies of vitamin D deficiency, offer scientists and physicians a unique opportunity to examine, and perhaps erase, some of the health inequities burdened by African American.”
https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newslet ... -d-status/

[_jimhabegger]

Jimhabegger,
Yes, I agree that we disagree on those.

Thanks for responding. I was thinking of trying to explain my views to you, on those topics, and/or asking you questions about your views, but now, considering how time-consuming and mind-consuming that might be, I've decided to give it up, at least for now. Maybe later, if that could interest you, and if I get caught up on some of my priorities.

[_subgenius]

Jimhabegger,
Yes, I agree that we disagree on those.

Thanks for responding. I was thinking of trying to explain my views to you, on those topics, and/or asking you questions about your views, but now, considering how time-consuming and mind-consuming that might be, I've decided to give it up, at least for now. Maybe later, if that could interest you, and if I get caught up on some of my priorities.

at least your schedule allowed for some passive- aggressive posting.

[_grindael]

at least your schedule allowed for some passive- aggressive posting.

While yours obviously allows for full time trolling.