Republicans have to Cheat to Win

[_EAllusion]

I don't think we have well-defined limits of unacceptable Republican extremism.

I think what EAllusion's post demonstrates is the Left's attempt at demonizing what is considered among the Middle, the regular Republican stances on various issues, to be "far right" along with a commensurate attempt to normalize "far left" policies.

This, of course, is to push, I forge the term for it, the political center to the Left making it the default setting for what is "normal."

- Doc

Locking up one's political opponents is a regular Republican stance. That's why you can go to a Republican rally held by the Republican president of the United States and hear the Republican audience shout it with elation and anger in unison. That was my point. It enjoys broad support in polling as do any number of Republican positions that you can call "extremist" even though they aren't that extreme by standards of what people think. The majority of Republicans supported Trump's child separation policy. Is it "extremist?" By the norms of civilized, Western countries, sure. By what Republicans think? Not so much. Is considering the press "the enemy of the people" extreme? Yes, but it's also normal for a Republican now.

Time and time again you can poll Republicans and you'll find somewhere between a half and three quarters show support of any number of policies that are commensurate with a fascist dictatorship. Heck, about half of Republicans back Trump suspending the 2020 election if he says it is needed. You might even say that about half of the party are deplorable, but I hear that's not to be uttered in polite company. So do you say they are extremist? In one sense, sure. In another, standard opinions by definition aren't extremist.

[_Water Dog]

Kevin is worried about some retarded kid trying to hoodwink a Democrat into accepting $38, meanwhile:

https://www.recode.net/2018/8/20/176930 ... trump-list

But, hey, Republicans are the only ones with agendas!

A great point. Indeed. A concerted, coordinated effort between social media masters to stack things in the left's favor. Kind of surprised you would even point this out Doc.

[_Water Dog]

Oddly, they forgot to mention the part about it being a gathering of violent white supremacists at the Republican office or who the Proud Boys are. Must've slipped their mind. Nor does it mention the pictures of violent people in the street are actually the Proud Boys and not the antifa they are talking about. Nor does it mention the violence those same Proud Boys engaged in.

But it does report on the note one or more of the protesters left by criticizing concentration camps and war against Muslims as an ominous threat because it said white supremacists were "put on notice."

Totally honest reporting there. Honest like you, in fact.

Again, I don't have any clue who the Proud Boys are. Maybe your description of them as "violent white supremacists" is accurate, maybe it isn't. Either way, how were they the instigators in this case? Your antifa thugs engaged in vandalism and started a physical confrontation. Just as they have done countless times. Just as they did days prior in Portland. What are you talking about? Adding irony on top on your ignorance, I would never have even heard of these people not for this. A group of nitwits got together. Okay. Then another group of nitwits shows up and picks a fight with them. Okay. Media goes wild, spins. And now nobody who had ever heard of the Proud Boys is asking, "who are the proud boys" and pulling up their mission statement online.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Locking up one's political opponents is a regular Republican stance. That's why you can go to a Republican rally held by the Republican president of the United States and hear the Republican audience shout it with elation and anger in unison. That was my point. It enjoys broad support in polling as do any number of Republican positions that you can call "extremist" even though they aren't that extreme by standards of what people think. The majority of Republicans supported Trump's child separation policy. Is it "extremist?" By the norms of civilized, Western countries, sure. By what Republicans think? Not so much.

Yeah, I NEVER hear about arresting Bush, Cheney, Trump, or any other Republican politician from the Left.



- Doc

[_Water Dog]

I'm genuinely curious who these guys are. Intrigued.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I had no clue who those guys are. How in the “F” does EA know about "The Proud Boys?" What's he doing on his spare time...?

- Doc

[_Kevin Graham]

I don't know what's funnier. Watching Republicans try to cheat via illegal means while making dumb videos to edit and such, or watching people like WaterDog and Doc try to blow it off because "both sides do it." Like EA said, you don't find the equivalent to this crap on the left. The fact that you're still trying to is actually funny.

[_Water Dog]

The basic tenet of the group is that we are “Western chauvinists who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world.” Like Archie Bunker, we long for the days when “girls were girls and men were men.” This wasn’t controversial even twenty years ago, but being proud of Western culture today is like being a crippled, black, lesbian communist in 1953.

The group started in the fall after congregating on Compound Media and laughing at the politically correct culture they insist we take seriously. What began as a few fans in a bar across the street from the studio singing “Proud of Your Boy” and laughing at the reparations videos of Gazi Kodzo soon became a bona fide men’s club with rituals, traditions, and even its own in-house court called “The Sharia.”

The Proud Boys confuse the media because the group is anti-SJW without being alt-right. “Western chauvinist” includes all races, religions, and sexual preferences.

Our group is and will always be MEN ONLY(born with a penis if that wasn’t clear enough for you leftists)! If you are (and were born) a woman and you would like to be involved, there is a girls group. They call themselves Proud Boys’ Girls and they’re our second-biggest demographic.” It may seem counterintuitive that a men-only group would have such a big female following, but nobody wants men to be men more than the women who depend on them. “Proud Boys saved my marriage,” says PBG Gabriela Finch. “I was completely done with it, but he won me back and fought hard for it.” This group is full of all kinds of women. Wives, girlfriends and single girls are all welcome. Just like the mens group, the girls have no other requirements about race, religion or sexual preference.

http://proudboysusa.com/

Incidentally Proud Boys' Girls was suspended by Twitter. Which saddens me greatly, because I really wanted to see what that looked like.

I still don't know who these boys are. They aren't claiming to be the KKK though. Isn't the whole idea behind a "white supremacist" group that they preach against other races. Where can I see them doing that?

And this is kind of funny. Apparently lefties setup a troll account. (although proud boys say they welcome gays too?) So the proud boys are themselves banned from Twitter in every way it seems, but not their lefty counterparts. That's a shame. Because it would be nice to see what the Proud Boys have to say, and further see how a variety of people react to that. But instead, anyone who's curious must travel into territory where the Proud Boys will have total control over the discussion space. I wonder if they engage in similar censorship in those spaces or not.

https://Twitter.com/proudboysus?lang=en

[_Water Dog]

A black white supremacist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESyZDnJAy5k

[_EAllusion]

Locking up one's political opponents is a regular Republican stance. That's why you can go to a Republican rally held by the Republican president of the United States and hear the Republican audience shout it with elation and anger in unison. That was my point. It enjoys broad support in polling as do any number of Republican positions that you can call "extremist" even though they aren't that extreme by standards of what people think. The majority of Republicans supported Trump's child separation policy. Is it "extremist?" By the norms of civilized, Western countries, sure. By what Republicans think? Not so much.

Yeah, I NEVER hear about arresting Bush, Cheney, Trump, or any other Republican politician from the Left.



- Doc

So many layers of false equivalence. Wanting George W. Bush to stand trial in international court having engaged in actual war crimes is not the same thing for wanting to lock up Dianne Feinstein on a false pretext because you don't like her role in opposition to confirming Bret Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Moreover, the calls to subject George W. Bush to the same standards as other war criminals were relatively muted comparison to what is currently occurring on the right. By all means, feel free to link some examples of Obama standing over 10's of thousands of regular Democrats shouting "lock him up" in reference to George W. Bush while Democratic polling shows broad support for jailing political enemies.

If you're gonna play this game, you could've just done it with Trump. Democrats are hypocrites because they say it's bad to want to lock up their leaders without legitimate basis, but then they turn around and support the Mueller witch-hunt against Trump. There's nothing that could possibly distinguish these two things. Amiright?