EXPOSED: The WHO's Bungled Covid Response

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Re: EXPOSED: The WHO's Bungled Covid Response

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[quote=ajax18 post_id=1222034 time=1587193998 user_id=21]
The WHO appears to have helped China in this coverup. I hope the never see another US tax dollar given the WHO would rather protect China than save lives in the rest of the world.
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Donald Trump aided the "China coverup." Are you also eager to see that no dollars go to Donald Trump and that he is removed from office?
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Donald Trump aided the "China coverup." Are you also eager to see that no dollars go to Donald Trump and that he is removed from office?
The same Donald Trump you accuse of being racist toward China for rightfully calling Covid the Chinese virus. That doesn't sound much like a man trying to cover for China. Do you think Tom Cotton was trying to cover for China as well when you dismissed hiis suspicion this was what was probably going over 4 mos ago while the democrats were focused on the impeachment hoax?
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The same Donald Trump you accuse of being racist toward China for rightfully calling Covid the Chinese virus. That doesn't sound much like a man trying to cover for China. Do you think Tom Cotton was trying to cover for China as well when you dismissed hiis suspicion this was what was probably going over 4 mos ago while the democrats were focused on the impeachment hoax?[/quote]

No, the same Donald Trump who contradicted his own intelligence initially, then publicly available information secondarily, to repeatedly assure the American public that China was effectively containing the virus, has done a wonderful job, and was being transparent.

Here's 15 examples:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... rus-188736

After Trump needed a scapegoat, it's true he tried to race-bait China as a strategy, though you'll notice he stopped doing the "China Virus" bit after a call with President Xi. I can't tell if you can't see that Trump is capable of moving from lavishing praise on China as a means of downplaying the pandemic to trying to attack China to deflect blame from his own failures or if you'll just say whatever to defend your hero.
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There is substantial evidence that China mislead the world in the early stage of the disease outbreak and the WHO abetted this by being overly deferential to China. Trump abetted this too in contradiction to his own intelligence, but the WHO didn't continue to do this forever at least. Eventually, the public did get warnings and recommendations from the WHO about the scale of the problem, and Trump downplayed and ignored them for another 2 months or so. Given that inaction for a matter of days translates into thousands of lives lost and lack of preparation translates into much more severe economic consequences, it seems like someone who was upset about aiding Chinese propaganda might be upset about this. But you're not really upset about aiding Chinese propaganda. That's fine if the right person is doing it. You're upset about UN-affiliated organizations. You're upset about the idea of accountability for your God-King. So you favor trying to defund the most important entity for combatting pandemics in the world in the middle of a horrific pandemic.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:17 am
Don't worry Themis. We've banned platic straws in a few American cities. This will fix it even though China is exempt from this rule.
There is no rule. Each city state province or country decides for itself whether to ban things like plastic straws. How terrible if we cannot have a plastic straw to drink from.
Now we know China banned travel from Wuhan to other parts of China but allowed people from Wuhan to travel anywhere elsei n the world at the same time. This is looking very similar to the global warmimg situation.
Classic how you will swallow any package Trump tells you to. Even when Trump rewrites his own history. If Trump takes away your freedom you would believe that is a good thing. You are just like the people surrounding King Arnulf on the island of Hy-brasil saying confidently that this is not happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6-sI9rdtA
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How terrible if we cannot have a plastic straw to drink from.
especially when it's all for nothing
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:25 pm
How terrible if we cannot have a plastic straw to drink from.
especially when it's all for nothing
Still in denial of the obvious.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:51 pm
[How much have plastic straw bans improved ocean ecology since they have been implemented in a few cities? ...
Once again Western self discrimnation has suceeded in inconveiencing its own people while doing little if anything to solve the overall problem.
Wow. You are really put out by this plastic straw ban, and you probably don’t even live anywhere near a city that has banned them.

I thought that conservatives claimed to be the ‘can do’ crowd. Whooda thunk that they could be brought to their knees by taking away the straw jar at the local eatery?
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The way Ajax conceptualizes this one is weird. Americans forgoing plastic straws doesn't make Chinese people use more straws. It's just an aggregate reduction in pollution of the commons, which is a good thing. It seem to be a small inconvenience to bring your own metal straw or just drink something without a straw. In order make this seem like a ridiculous cost for the benefit, Ajax ends up acting like not having a plastic straw is a great personal burden.
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From the Washington Post:
Americans at World Health Organization transmitted real-time information about coronavirus to Trump administration

More than a dozen U.S. researchers, physicians and public health experts, many of them from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, were working full time at the Geneva headquarters of the World Health Organization as the novel coronavirus emerged late last year and transmitted real-time information about its discovery and spread in China to the Trump administration, according to U.S. and international officials.

A number of CDC staffers are regularly detailed to work at WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s charge that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.
The administration has also sharply criticized the Chinese government for withholding information.

But the president, who often touts a personal relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping and is reluctant to inflict damage on a trade deal with Beijing, appears to see the WHO as a more defenseless target.
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