Progressive cult members showing how brainwashed they really are!

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The common cold hasn’t, as far as I can recollect, threatened to overwhelm your local hospital with folks who need critical care.
The common cold is all that Omicron is going to be for 99% of us, especially those who are vaccinated. That's certainly nothing worthy of the economic costs being proposed. Hospitals are backing up because we've neglected other care people need for other conditions for too long. COVID is not the number one cause of death. Depression and suicide have been killing way more young otherwise healthy people with their whole life ahead of them due to the COVID "mitigation" lockdown measures, not to mention a stagnate economy and lack of job opportunities.

And no one has ever proposed preventing you - or anyone - from having a family Christmas gathering, let alone attempted to enact a policy designed to enforce that.
What are you talking about? We had politicians threatening to arrest people for having more than a few people in their house at Christmas last year.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:04 pm
The common cold hasn’t, as far as I can recollect, threatened to overwhelm your local hospital with folks who need critical care.
The common cold is all that Omicron is going to be for 99% of us, especially those who are vaccinated. That's certainly nothing worthy of the economic costs being proposed. Hospitals are backing up because we've neglected other care people need for other conditions for too long.
‘We’ve neglected’, in many cases, because many hospitals have been overly preoccupied with COVID cases.

COVID is not the number one cause of death. Depression and suicide have been killing way more young otherwise healthy people with their whole life ahead of them due to the COVID "mitigation" lockdown measures, not to mention a stagnate economy and lack of job opportunities.
Maybe the figures aren’t exactly as you’re imagining them to be:

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Now, here’s something interesting - it turns out that higher minimum wages are linked to lower suicide rates. Maybe we should pay more attention to this?

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And no one has ever proposed preventing you - or anyone - from having a family Christmas gathering, let alone attempted to enact a policy designed to enforce that.
What are you talking about? We had politicians threatening to arrest people for having more than a few people in their house at Christmas last year.
Politicians lock people up? How, and on the basis of what law?

By the way, you didn’t tell me why Ben was feeling so bitchy.
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Maybe you should listen to Ben's show Canpakes. I think more than a few minutes would probably drive you insane.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:21 am
Maybe you should listen to Ben's show Canpakes. I think more than a few minutes would probably drive you insane.
I have kids. I can have all of the whining I want in real time.
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Chap wrote:
Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:52 pm

Nobody dies from the common cold, or is long-term incapacitated by it. Nobody with the common cold takes up an ICU bed, and so on.

I can easily adjust my mask so it does not fog up my glasses. So can anybody else who cares to try.
I'm an RN that wears glasses and many of my coworkers do as well. We all have to wear our masks for entirety of our 12 hour shifts. If my glasses fog up, I adjust my mask and go about my day. Ajax is full of it and I'm pretty sure he knows it.
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Maybe you should listen to Ben's show Canpakes. I think more than a few minutes would probably drive you insane.
Shapiro is a disingenuous hack making money off of gullible morons like you. Here is a recent piece he's written:

https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op ... 2112040010

Apparently Shapiro doesn't even understand what the word "tyranny" means.
We have no evidence, however, that omicron is more deadly. To the contrary, Dr. Angelique Coetzee, chairwoman of the South African Medical Association, explained that the symptoms associated with omicron were “mild,” explaining, “We don’t see severely ill patients.”
True, and no one ever said omicron was "more deadly." Shapiro, as he so often does, sets up a straw man and then proceeds to pounce. The fact is the world had already learned from Dr. Fauci weeks ago that there is room for optimism with respect to Omicron because preliminary data suggests it produces milder symptoms and is "almost certainly" less deadly than Delta.

Wait, what? But Shapiro has been telling us Fauci and the government have been trying to get everyone "freaked out" about Omicron! I guess Shapiro's a liar huh?
Yet the reaction from our institutional leaders has been completely unhinged. We have been told by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that every American above the age of 18 ought to get a booster shot of the COVID-19 vaccine despite scant evidence that boosters lower the hospitalization and death rates from COVID-19 for the young (they certainly do for those over age 60).
"Unhinged"? By promoting vaccination and encouraging booster shots, the "institutional leaders" are becoming "unhinged?" Who is stupid enough to believe this? I thought Shapiro encouraged people to get their immunizations but that certainly doesn't sound like it here. Shapiro admits boosters "certainly do" lower the hospitalization and death rates for the elderly, but in his mind it is "unhinged" to assume they'd also provide added protection to those under the age of 60 because, well, there hasn't been any data to support that. That isn't entirely true, but we'd expect data to be scarce this early about a variant that was only recently discovered.

Do Vaccines, Boosters Work Against the Omicron Variant? Here's What Boston Doctors Say

The fact is during Trump we had 2,000+ Americans dying every day with no available vaccine, and now that we have vaccines and boosters available the idea is to get a jump on Omicron in an attempt to mitigate spread, hospitalizations and death. But the idiot Shapiro says that saving lives like this would be "tyranny." Why? Because he's a disingenuous idiot playing politics as usual. The President is a Democrat so he's going to fight tooth and nail against everything he says no matter how many medical professionals back him. Shapiro wants you to believe he knows more.
The predictable result: Markets have plunged. They’ve plunged not because of omicron itself, but because the private sector knows that the public sector may hammer away at economic freedom again.
Shapiro is lying here. In reality the S&P500 is up roughly 28% on the year. Look who's trying to get people "freaked out" now. Nothing but lies about how the economy is facing an impending collapse and markets are crashing. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Our political class has failed throughout the pandemic; perhaps their only real success was in assigning a grab bag of cash for pharmaceutical companies that developed vaccines. Other than that, nearly all public policy measures have been ineffective.
And here is Shapiro's shout out to the Qanon types, throwing out red meat for conspiracy garbage. The fact is all public measures have been effective. What measures? Masks, social distancing, mandates? They've all been proven to work. Shapiro's only evidence that they don't work is the fact that COVID hasn't been completely annihilated.

Here are 49 studies proving Masks work

Science backs mask mandates

Tough Mask Mandates Linked to Fewer COVID Deaths
Lockdown policies were ineffective in curbing the pandemic outside of isolated countries around the globe;
Here is Shapiro making a bald assertion backed by no evidence whatsoever which is ironic given his whine about government officials not relying on science. But he does concede that lock-downs worked in some "isolated" countries. So it works, just depending on the country? Gee. I wonder why it didn't seem to work in America? Maybe because half the country consists of Right Wing morons who are hell bent on doing anything necessary, even killing themselves, to stick it to the Left? Ajax never did respond to the fact that Trump enforced lock-downs and said it could last 6 months before fumbling the ball and giving up after just 2 weeks, because he didn't have the balls to follow through with his own plan.He stopped listening to the medical experts and began following advice from idiots at FOX News. It was a FOX News guy who first said the "cure could be worse than the disease" and Trump repeated it the very next day, effectively making some random FOX News guest the arbiter of US policy.
Mask mandates have been markedly disassociated from actual disease replication rates.
Notice the wordplay here. Shapiro doesn't even begin to address the 49 scientific studies proving masks work to mitigate spread, and he cannot do this because it is irrefutable. So he plays word games and rephrases it in a way that makes it sound like masks don't work when they do.
And yet our public officials are pathologically incapable of humility. This time, they suggest, will be different; this time, they’ll prevent disease from spreading.
Another straw man. No one has said the "public officials" will prevent disease from spreading. Ever. Shapiro needs to lie like this in order to claim straw man victories. They add up and give the impression to his idiot base that he's some master debater when in reality he's just baldly asserting a bunch of nonsense in a way that sounds authoritative.
It seems that the most powerful in our society have a vested interest in the lie that they can stop disease, death and privation.
Again, the only lie here is coming from Shapiro's straw man. No one ever said that. If they've said anything, it is that COVID will always be with us just like influenza. The difference is that COVID is far more deadly than the flu and we will likely need to keep producing newer vaccines to better address the virus' mutations. It is the reason why flu shots are needed every year, because the flu mutates.
heavy-handed “solutions” will always be the measure of first resort, long before we even know whether a crisis has materialized.
Yeah, who is dumb enough to think a crisis has not materialized? Over 5 million dead, and 900,000 new cases just yesterday. What crisis?
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Moreover, what ajax and Shapiro refuse to acknowledge is vaccine mandates are an American Tradition.

The years were 1898 to 1903, and the disease was smallpox. News articles and health board reports describe crowds of parents marching to schoolhouses to demand that their unvaccinated children be allowed in, said Michael Willrich, a professor of history at Brandeis University, with some even burning their own arms with nitric acid to mimic the characteristic scar left by the smallpox vaccine.

“People went to some pretty extraordinary lengths not to comply,” said Professor Willrich, who wrote “Pox: An American History,” a book about the civil liberties battles prompted by the epidemic.

If it all sounds familiar, well, there is nothing new under the sun: not years that feel like centuries, not the wailing and gnashing of teeth over masks, and not vaccine mandates either.

As the coronavirus overwhelms hospitals across the South and more than 650,000 Americans — an increasing number of them children — lie dead, the same pattern is emerging. On Thursday, President Biden announced that he would move to require most federal workers and contractors to be vaccinated and, more sweepingly, that all employers with 100 or more employees would have to mandate vaccines or weekly testing. Colleges, businesses and local governments have enacted mandates at a steady pace, and conservative anger has built accordingly.

On Monday, Representative Jim Jordan, Republican of Ohio, tweeted that vaccine mandates were “un-American.” In reality, they are a time-honored American tradition.

But to be fair, so is public fury over them.

“We’re really seeing a lot of echoes of the smallpox era,” said Elena Conis, an associate professor and historian of medicine at the University of California, Berkeley. “Mandates elicit resistance. They always have.”

The roots of U.S. vaccine mandates predate both the U.S. and vaccines. The colonies sought to prevent disease outbreaks by quarantining ships from Europe and sometimes, in the case of smallpox, requiring inoculations: a crude and much riskier predecessor to vaccinations in which doctors rubbed live smallpox virus into broken skin to induce a relatively mild infection that would guard against severe infection later. They were a source of enormous fear and anger.

In January 1777, George Washington mandated inoculations for the soldiers under his command in the Continental Army, writing that if smallpox were to break out, “we should have more to dread from it, than from the Sword of the Enemy.” Notably, it was in large part the soldiers’ desires that overcame his resistance to a mandate.

“They were the ones calling for it,” said Andrew Wehrman, an associate professor of history at Central Michigan University who studies the politics of medicine in the colonial and revolutionary eras. “There’s no record that I have seen — and I’ve looked — of any soldier turning it down, protesting it.”

Buoyed by the success of the mandate, Washington wrote to his brother in June 1777 that he was upset by a Virginia law restricting inoculations. “I would rather move for a Law to compell the Masters of Families to inoculate every Child born within a certain limitted time under severe Penalties,” he wrote.

Over the next century, many local governments did exactly that. Professor Wehrman this week tweeted an example of what, in an interview, he said was a “ubiquitous” phenomenon: The health board in Urbana, Ohio, Jordan’s hometown, enacted a requirement in 1867 that in any future epidemic, “the heads of families must see that all the members of their families have been vaccinated.”

But by the end of the 1800s, opposition was louder and more widespread. Some states, particularly in the West, introduced laws prohibiting vaccine mandates. Others narrowly passed mandates after intense debate.

The reasons for resistance were myriad: Some Americans opposed mandates on the grounds of personal liberty; some because they believed lawmakers were in cahoots with vaccine makers; and some because of safety concerns that were, to be fair, more grounded in reality than the modern equivalent. Vaccines then were not regulated the way they are now, and there were documented cases of doses contaminated with tetanus.

The government’s response resembled what, today, are wild conspiracy theories. Contrary to the assertions of some on the far right, the Biden administration has never suggested going door to door to force people to take coronavirus vaccines. But in the 1890s and 1900s, that actually happened: Squads of men would enter people’s homes in the middle of the night, breaking down doors if necessary, to inject people with smallpox vaccines.

Legally speaking, the Supreme Court resolved the issue of mandatory vaccinations in 1905, ruling 7-2 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that they were constitutional.

The Constitution “does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint,” Justice John Marshall Harlan, known for defending civil liberties, wrote. “Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”

In the court of public opinion, there was no such resolution.

The polio vaccine was less controversial, mainly because it wasn’t initially mandated and because it had been funded by a widely respected nonprofit: the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, now called the March of Dimes. This reduced opposition based on mistrust of pharmaceutical companies, and most parents willingly got their children vaccinated. The measles vaccine, too, was not particularly controversial because mandates were not initially enforced.

“Nobody was enforcing vaccination, and so it simply didn’t elicit that mistrust,” Professor Conis said. In the smallpox era, by contrast, “skeptical people said, ‘Well, why are we doing this? It just benefits the companies making the vaccine and the doctors administering the vaccine, and why should we trust any of them?’”

But the fear and anger came roaring back with the introduction of childhood vaccination mandates in the 1970s. By 1980, all 50 states required schoolchildren to be vaccinated against an array of diseases.

None of it is new, but one thing distinguishes today’s anti-vaccination protesters from those of the past. The opposition was always political. It wasn’t always partisan.

“There are plenty of echoes today: There are liberty claims, there are strong sentiments about parental rights, there are concerns about the science, there are concerns about the profit involved,” Professor Willrich said. “But this party divide in terms of who is most likely to be hesitant or refuse a vaccine mandate is really, I think, something of our own 21st-century moment.”

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So there you have it. Vaccine mandates are American and Constitutional. It is time Jim Jordan's and the Ben Shapiro's in the world stop lying abut this.
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K Graham wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:27 am
Vaccine mandates are American and Constitutional. It is time Jim Jordan's and the Ben Shapiro's in the world stop lying abut this.
I had to prove I was vaccinated to get into nursing school. Since graduating and getting my license I have had to prove to every employer I've had that I am vaccinated. I have to get the flu shot every year. I've also worked in places that required masks pre covid. Mandates aren't a new thing, vaccines aren't new either.

None of this is a new thing.

This nonsense pisses me off. Maybe it's because I work in a long term respiratory facility full of "post covid" patients. I also had covid myself. I was almost bedridden for three weeks. My temp hit 108 degrees F at one point (that's when you start worrying about brain damage, other organ damage, seizures and death). That was after taking both tylenol and ibuprophen. I really didn't want to go the hospital. Honestly, I'd rather die than get trached and end up on a vent as I might or might not slowly die despite the best medical care. I hydrated, sat under a cold shower then covered myself in ice packs and hoped it would work. Luckily it did work.

I'm just so sick of the lies. The ICU's here in Utah are overloaded. I know because I've seen it first hand. It isn't a hoax, it isn't the flu and it isn't a communist plot to control the masses.
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Father Francis wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:39 pm
K Graham wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:27 am
Vaccine mandates are American and Constitutional. It is time Jim Jordan's and the Ben Shapiro's in the world stop lying abut this.
I had to prove I was vaccinated to get into nursing school. Since graduating and getting my license I have had to prove to every employer I've had that I am vaccinated. I have to get the flu shot every year. I've also worked in places that required masks pre covid. Mandates aren't a new thing, vaccines aren't new either.

None of this is a new thing.

This nonsense pisses me off. Maybe it's because I work in a long term respiratory facility full of "post covid" patients. I also had covid myself. I was almost bedridden for three weeks. My temp hit 108 degrees F at one point (that's when you start worrying about brain damage, other organ damage, seizures and death). That was after taking both tylenol and ibuprophen. I really didn't want to go the hospital. Honestly, I'd rather die than get trached and end up on a vent as I might or might not slowly die despite the best medical care. I hydrated, sat under a cold shower then covered myself in ice packs and hoped it would work. Luckily it did work.

I'm just so sick of the lies. The ICU's here in Utah are overloaded. I know because I've seen it first hand. It isn't a hoax, it isn't the flu and it isn't a communist plot to control the masses
Great post Father Francis.
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ajax18 wrote:
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Ajax...paragraphs.

In any case what is this-- yammuka -- supposed to mean?

It's a transcript from Ben Shapiro's show yesterday. The parallel he demonstrated between cult behavior and the current COVID public policy was so good I typed it out as he spoke, which wasn't easy because he talks fast. I think it's yamaka. It's that little hat Jews wear on their head.
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Did you mean yarmulke?
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