When Fauci speaks, the thinking has been done.

[Moksha]

So living longer in debt is preferable to Wasington voters while living a shorter life but free is preferable to Floridians. You do you and I'll do me. What's wrong with that. Florida chose to live in a free state, not a biomedical security state. Isn't that the beauty of state sovereignty. Anyone who didn't like it was free to move to New York or San Francisco.

Why would anyone want to be in a State adhering to the Religion of Woke? Man should live in a state of depravity where dog-eat-dog is the rule of the day. A place where they tote assault rifles for safety, with an itchy trigger finger keen on justice. Let those others move to Venezuela where they can be with Hugo Chavez and his Trump-hating voting machines!!!

[canpakes]

You don’t seem too convinced. You haven’t moved there yet. : )

No I'm convinced. There's a lot of separation into stayes baded on ploitics. Look at what the Missourians did to the Mormons out fear in how they might vote.

Like I said, you haven’t moved to Florida, and you’re not going to. And that’s not all bad; your daughter will likely get a better public school education in your present state. Florida has its own share of problems in that department that it’ll need to attend to.

As for the questions that I asked earlier, I was sure that you wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole. I’m also pretty sure that I know the answers. No, you’re not ‘anti-vax’, and you and your family are all current on the standard immunizations. You’re also vaccinated for COVID, probably just the first shot. But, you fell in line with your tribe in needing to rage against COVID countermeasures generally, and you’ve been doing it long enough now to be pushing conspiracy theories about Fauci, now. None of that crazy stuff about Fauci makes any sense, really, but it doesn’t get repeated because most of the folks doing so actually believe it. It gets repeated because it feeds a need for maintaining a particular political narrative.

Judging by what you have written, I’d say that you’re very much in favor of government intervention to promote the general welfare of the people, provided that what they’d do aligns with your particular political sensibilities … which is a pretty normal attitude that I’d guess most folks adhere to.

[ajax18]

I don’t recall the elderly or other vulnerable people saying, sure, I’ll happily suffer and die because everyone has a fundamental right to spread disease as much as they choose.

Those that survived voted for De Santis in 2022, did they not?

We knew by May or June of 2020 that COVID had a 99.96% survival rate among people under 70. DeSantis wasn't going to shut down schools nor jail people for going to work as the rest of the country chose to do for nearly 2 more years. And most old people in Florida were plenty capable of going north. They're snowbirds. Even if it killed 20% of the population I wouldn't shut down work. It's not worth it. I believe a lot of things are far worse than death, especially if I were over 70 years old. And even most boomers agreed. That's democracy, rule by the people. I can't understand why you felt it imperative to dictate to the people of Florida how they have to live their life. How is it that them going to school/work is hurting you?

[Res Ipsa]

I don’t recall the elderly or other vulnerable people saying, sure, I’ll happily suffer and die because everyone has a fundamental right to spread disease as much as they choose.

Those that survived voted for De Santis in 2022, did they not?

We knew by May or June of 2020 that COVID had a 99.96% survival rate among people under 70. DeSantis wasn't going to shut down schools nor jail people for going to work as the rest of the country chose to do for nearly 2 more years. And most old people in Florida were plenty capable of going north. They're snowbirds. Even if it killed 20% of the population I wouldn't shut down work. It's not worth it. I believe a lot of things are far worse than death, especially if I were over 70 years old. And even most boomers agreed. That's democracy, rule by the people. I can't understand why you felt it imperative to dictate to the people of Florida how they have to live their life. How is it that them going to school/work is hurting you?

Well, it's true that dead people don't get to vote.

No, we didn't know and of that at all. That's your fantasy world. You're using 100% hindsight, including numbers that include Omicron, which was more contagious but had a lower rate of death than original COVID and Delta. You're also including the effect of vaccines and later-developed treatments. This was a brand new virus in a population that had never been exposed to it before. Almost everything in May and June 2020 was uncertain. The absence of test kits in the U.S. gave the virus several weeks of head start of uncontrolled spread. Although we properly quarantined cruise ships and early flights that brought Americans back from areas where air travel had become impossible, we made no attempt to quarantine travelers arriving from countries as outbreaks occurred around the world. As a health care professional, you should understand how disease spreads and the consequences of exponential growth. But you're so wrapped up in your grievance politics that you won't admit to basic facts or use your education to dispassionately evaluate the facts.

You're so tangled up in your own thinking that you seem to think I was calling the shots in Florida. I didn't. The government did. Ron DeSantis did. He made all the decisions. Not me. Not the people in Florida. Ron DeSantis. He chose to sentence old people in his state to death and they had no say in the decision. And he was not honest about what he was doing.

Even your position on democracy has no consistency. You are in favor of democracy only when people you like are in the majority. You hate it when the majority is composed of people you hate. The only position you are consistent on is that you definitely hate and despise some of your fellow Americans and nothing else matters.

[ajax18]

Even your position on democracy has no consistency. You are in favor of democracy only when people you like are in the majority. You hate it when the majority is composed of people you hate. The only position you are consistent on is that you definitely hate and despise some of your fellow Americans and nothing else matters.

That's kind of what the left has been doing for a long time now. Save our democracy from Trump. Save our democracy from DeSantis. Unless you still believe that Russian bots altered the vote tallies in 2016, 2018, and 2022.

[canpakes]

Even your position on democracy has no consistency. You are in favor of democracy only when people you like are in the majority. You hate it when the majority is composed of people you hate. The only position you are consistent on is that you definitely hate and despise some of your fellow Americans and nothing else matters.

That's kind of what the left has been doing for a long time now. Save our democracy from Trump. Save our democracy from DeSantis. Unless you still believe that Russian bots altered the vote tallies in 2016, 2018, and 2022.

I can understand why some folks say that, given that the fellow who couldn’t win the popular vote twice tried to change the results the second time, and is now aiming to continue his anti-democracy antics into a third election.

[Res Ipsa]

Even your position on democracy has no consistency. You are in favor of democracy only when people you like are in the majority. You hate it when the majority is composed of people you hate. The only position you are consistent on is that you definitely hate and despise some of your fellow Americans and nothing else matters.

That's kind of what the left has been doing for a long time now. Save our democracy from Trump. Save our democracy from DeSantis. Unless you still believe that Russian bots altered the vote tallies in 2016, 2018, and 2022.

No, really it's not. There is nothing inconsistent about valuing democracy and wanting to protect it from threats. You describe democracy as tyranny when discussing taxes, and then turn around and say democracy is freedom if a majority decides to kill off 20% of the minority. That's 100% inconsistent.

[ajax18]

You describe democracy as tyranny when discussing taxes, and then turn around and say democracy is freedom if a majority decides to kill off 20% of the minority.

You're being intellectually dishonest in saying that the majority wants to kill off people because they want to go to work rather than live on borrowed money. Number one that's not intent to kill. Number 2, people at risk had the right to stay home rather than putting the rest of us on house arrest. And you've pretty much repeated EAllusion's old accusation that you denied him making, that I had blood on my hands for choosing to go to work. As it turned out, the vaccine didn't stop transmission and neither did the cloth masks that everyone wore. Private property and the earner's right to choose how to spend it is a right that as old as mankind itself. You have no right to be free to roam around the country without getting infected from an airborne pathogen, especially if doing so means that in order to accomplish this that nobody can do their job or that an entire generation of children will be permanently set back in their development.

[Res Ipsa]

You describe democracy as tyranny when discussing taxes, and then turn around and say democracy is freedom if a majority decides to kill off 20% of the minority.

You're being intellectually dishonest in saying that the majority wants to kill off people because they want to go to work rather than live on borrowed money. Number one that's not intent to kill. Number 2, people at risk had the right to stay home rather than putting the rest of us on house arrest. And you've pretty much repeated EAllusion's old accusation that you denied him making, that I had blood on my hands for choosing to go to work. As it turned out, the vaccine didn't stop transmission and neither did the cloth masks that everyone wore. Private property and the earner's right to choose how to spend it is a right that as old as mankind itself. You have no right to be free to roam around the country without getting infected from an airborne pathogen, especially if doing so means that in order to accomplish this that nobody can do their job or that an entire generation of children will be permanently set back in their development.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm giving you examples from your own posts that show how inconsistent you are when it comes to democracy. These just are the most current examples. Your posts constantly display your inconsistency on the value of democracy. When you agree with what the majority wants, you say "that's democracy." When you disagree with what the majority wants, you say "that's tyranny."

The bundle of rights that you describe as "property rights" has been determined and defined by society ever since there were societies. But we're not talking about property rights. You clearly claim that "right to life" is a real thing that applies to fetuses. Try and make a convincing case that adult humans don't have that same right. I absolutely have the right not to be harmed by you. If you engage in intentional or risky behavior that harms others, you can wind up having to pay damages or, in some cases, go to jail. You know that as a medical professional. Malpractice claims are all about having to compensate others for harming them despite the fact that your intent was to help them, not hurt them.

The fact that vaccination and mask wearing doesn't guarantee 100% blockage of transmission doesn't get you off the hook at all. If you engage in open carry and accidentally shoot someone, you can be successfully sued or even imprisoned, depending how much your behavior increased the risk of injury or death to others.

Whether you like it or not, you do have legal duties of care to avoid harm to others, including complete strangers. We call it tort law. How that duty applies to the spreading of a deadly disease may be up for grabs, but not your notion that you have a right to do what ever you want with no consideration of the harm you cause to others. That's never been the case.

[ajax18]

You're being intellectually dishonest in saying that the majority wants to kill off people because they want to go to work rather than live on borrowed money. Number one that's not intent to kill. Number 2, people at risk had the right to stay home rather than putting the rest of us on house arrest. And you've pretty much repeated EAllusion's old accusation that you denied him making, that I had blood on my hands for choosing to go to work. As it turned out, the vaccine didn't stop transmission and neither did the cloth masks that everyone wore. Private property and the earner's right to choose how to spend it is a right that as old as mankind itself. You have no right to be free to roam around the country without getting infected from an airborne pathogen, especially if doing so means that in order to accomplish this that nobody can do their job or that an entire generation of children will be permanently set back in their development.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm giving you examples from your own posts that show how inconsistent you are when it comes to democracy. These just are the most current examples. Your posts constantly display your inconsistency on the value of democracy. When you agree with what the majority wants, you say "that's democracy." When you disagree with what the majority wants, you say "that's tyranny."

The bundle of rights that you describe as "property rights" has been determined and defined by society ever since there were societies. But we're not talking about property rights. You clearly claim that "right to life" is a real thing that applies to fetuses. Try and make a convincing case that adult humans don't have that same right. I absolutely have the right not to be harmed by you. If you engage in intentional or risky behavior that harms others, you can wind up having to pay damages or, in some cases, go to jail. You know that as a medical professional. Malpractice claims are all about having to compensate others for harming them despite the fact that your intent was to help them, not hurt them.

The fact that vaccination and mask wearing doesn't guarantee 100% blockage of transmission doesn't get you off the hook at all. If you engage in open carry and accidentally shoot someone, you can be successfully sued or even imprisoned, depending how much your behavior increased the risk of injury or death to others.

Whether you like it or not, you do have legal duties of care to avoid harm to others, including complete strangers. We call it tort law. How that duty applies to the spreading of a deadly disease may be up for grabs, but not your notion that you have a right to do what ever you want with no consideration of the harm you cause to others. That's never been the case.

I know I only like democracy when I agree with it and I've never claimed any different. You claim to be the supporters and saviors of democracy unless of course the voters choose Trump or DeSantis. Then your idea of upholding democracy is to slander and weaponize the justice system to overturn the election. In spite the media's portrayal of Florida as needing mass graves, their favored politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were all in Florida enjoying the beach and Miami night life.

Another good example of left wing hypocrisy is listening to the "feminists" on the view defend the Biden family against the stripper they said was trying to "wedge," her way into the family. Imagine this were Don Jr or Eric? Would they think that's a personal matter and none of our business?