Some Schmo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:02 pm
ceeboo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 5:56 pm
I figured you were one of the people who still believed that - 7 years ago and still believing things that aren't true.
I mean, it's not like you could have spent 4 seconds to find out right. Amazing!
WTF are you talking about? I saw the press conference.
Jesus damned Christ, ceeboo. Get a clue.
To be completely accurate, Trump was referring to some undetermined number of folks who were participating in the ‘Unite the Right’ rally protesting removal of a confederate statue as opposed to referring
specifically to Nazi sympathizers as
very fine people.
Unfortunately, when the rally was specifically planned and attended by neo-nazi groups and white nationalists who had marched through the University of Virginia campus the prior night carrying burning torches and chanting ‘You will not replace us!’, it’s hard to imagine that there was a significant number of folks in that protest crowd that could be characterized as ‘very fine people’.
Trump’s subsequent comments contained a heavy load of equivocation:
REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?
Trump: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?
Trump: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.
REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.
Trump: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
REPORTER: George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.
Trump: Oh no, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down – excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? Okay, good. Are we going to take down his statue? He was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue? You know what? It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats – you had a lot of bad people in the other group too.
REPORTER: I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?
Trump: No, no. There were people in that rally, and I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly, the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call ‘em. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know, I don’t know if you know, but they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: there are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final – does anybody have a final question? You have an infrastructure question.
For Ceeboo - given your willingness to go to bat for Trump on that issue, how to you choose to process the situation when your candidate calls people who aren’t voting for him - or who merely want to hold him to the same legal standards as anyone else - as ‘vermin’ and ‘scum’?
