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drumdude wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:10 pm
Gadianton wrote:
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How would the shrapnel that nicked his ear from a shot that missed by a mile have killed him?
The shrapnel story was incorrect, the bullet hit his ear according to the FBI and NBC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna163896
I read the finding when it was first released and no, the FBI did not say that. This is directly from your above link:

The FBI said Friday that a bullet or fragments of it struck Donald Trump's ear during an assassination attempt on the former president this month at a campaign rally.

“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle," the FBI said in a statement.
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I think it’s weird Trump’s wife isn’t supporting him on the campaign trail. Is it because he’s a rapist? A literal rapist? Weird that Christians support a man who is a rapist and said he isn’t a Christian.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:44 pm
drumdude wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:10 pm


The shrapnel story was incorrect, the bullet hit his ear according to the FBI and NBC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna163896
I read the finding when it was first released and no, the FBI did not say that. This is directly from your above link:

The FBI said Friday that a bullet or fragments of it struck Donald Trump's ear during an assassination attempt on the former president this month at a campaign rally.

“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle," the FBI said in a statement.
OK. I stand corrected. Obviously the shooter missed by a mile, the bullet exploded spontaneously, and the shrapnel grazed his ear. :roll:
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Clearly there was blood so something struck him.

https://newsroom.ap.org/editorial-photo ... type=photo

AP picture from July 27th. You can zoom in and can’t really see any signs. This is not to minimize he got shot at, just let’s be factual. The only doctor statement we have is someone who didn’t actually look at it, Ronny Jackson, and who has lost his license to practice medicine.

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Bullets don’t spontaneously explode, but bullets made for hunting are deliberately fragile. This makes them more lethal if they hit the target animal in a place where a single thin hole wouldn’t be fatal. Military bullets are in contrast made to penetrate cover, so they hold their shape better.

If the bullet fired at Trump was a hunting round, it could plausibly have broken up after hitting some intervening obstacle. If the tumbling fragments had been slowed enough by whatever they hit, they might not then have been lethal, even though the obstacle wouldn’t have been considered bulletproof.

An intact bullet flying straight from a high-powered rifle does not make a swish. It’s supersonic. It makes an unforgettably loud, sharp crack that nobody would describe as a zip or swish. I don’t recall reading Trump or anyone near him mention that kind of sound when his ear was hit. This makes the tumbling fragment theory more likely, I think.
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Physics Guy wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:53 pm

An intact bullet flying straight from a high-powered rifle does not make a swish. It’s supersonic. It makes an unforgettably loud, sharp crack that nobody would describe as a zip or swish. I don’t recall reading Trump or anyone near him mention that kind of sound when his ear was hit. This makes the tumbling fragment theory more likely, I think.
from drumdude's link:

“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle," the FBI said in a statement."

Yeah, there was an original suggestion it could have been glass pieces or something, and that suggestion was withdrawn. This is the statement I had in mind, a later statement. The bullet missed by a long shot, broke up somehow, and some tiny fragments hit his ear causing very minor damage.

Aside from the physics suggesting it was pieces, the fact Trump refuses (at least as of several days ago) to release the medical records proves it wasn't a bullet. If the doctor had confirmed it was a bullet the records would have been released immediately.
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drumdude wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:58 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:44 pm


I read the finding when it was first released and no, the FBI did not say that. This is directly from your above link:

The FBI said Friday that a bullet or fragments of it struck Donald Trump's ear during an assassination attempt on the former president this month at a campaign rally.

“What struck former President Trump in the ear was a bullet, whether whole or fragmented into smaller pieces, fired from the deceased subject’s rifle," the FBI said in a statement.
OK. I stand corrected. Obviously the shooter missed by a mile, the bullet exploded spontaneously, and the shrapnel grazed his ear. :roll:
Your argument belongs with the FBI.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:29 pm
drumdude wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:58 pm


OK. I stand corrected. Obviously the shooter missed by a mile, the bullet exploded spontaneously, and the shrapnel grazed his ear. :roll:
Your argument belongs with the FBI.
The teleprompter and shrapnel reports (the conspiracy theory is that the shrapnel came from the teleprompter) in the media were intentionally misleading in order to downplay both the severity of the assassination attempt and the miraculous provenance of Trump turning his head to avoid death by mere inches and seconds.

The misinformation in the reporting on this is well documented. Hence my correction to the incorrect assertion that the shooter “missed him by a mile.”
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drumdude wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:24 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:29 pm


Your argument belongs with the FBI.
The teleprompter and shrapnel reports (the conspiracy theory is that the shrapnel came from the teleprompter) in the media were intentionally misleading in order to downplay both the severity of the assassination attempt and the miraculous provenance of Trump turning his head to avoid death by mere inches and seconds.

The misinformation in the reporting on this is well documented. Hence my correction to the incorrect assertion that the shooter “missed him by a mile.”
My bolding.


'Provenance'? Or did you intend to say 'providence'?

And miraculous? Turning your head is miraculous?
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Morley wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 1:35 am
drumdude wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:24 am


The teleprompter and shrapnel reports (the conspiracy theory is that the shrapnel came from the teleprompter) in the media were intentionally misleading in order to downplay both the severity of the assassination attempt and the miraculous provenance of Trump turning his head to avoid death by mere inches and seconds.

The misinformation in the reporting on this is well documented. Hence my correction to the incorrect assertion that the shooter “missed him by a mile.”
My bolding.


'Provenance'? Or did you intend to say 'providence'?

And miraculous? Turning your head is miraculous?
I’m using the word incorrectly. It’s not a synonym for divine deliverance from catastrophe or death like I had thought.

We use the word miraculous all the time. For example when someone with stage 4 cancer miraculously goes into remission. The way the Trump happened to have turned his head slightly just before the shot seems as miraculous as those people who are cured from cancer.

It doesn’t prove the existence of anything divine, it’s just a way to express how incredibly unlikely that sequence of events was and just how close the course of history came to being very significantly changed. Especially if Trump is re-elected.

A number of left leaning media outlets preferred to report on the assassination attempt as “Trump experienced a fall” despite seeing secret service agents literally shield him with their bodies. The amount of bias on the reporting was incredible, and this conspiracy idea that the shot was nowhere near and Trump was hit with teleprompter shards still persists.

Trump narrowly escaped death by pretty much the smallest margin imaginable. Full stop.
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