VP Debate

[Jersey Girl]

Not gonna lie. I love this so much. Not in a mean ridiculing mocking way. Nice to see a little well placed levity now and then!

[drumdude]

Walz definitely isn't a very good debater, in my opinion. He seemed to kind of find his sea legs later on, but his claims of not being good at debating were definitely not exaggerated. The China visit question/answer was painfully awkward.

I think one of the most significant things to come from the debate is that JD Vance seems to not know high school level civics regarding what a Vice President can do. Either that, or he's dishonest. When it comes to anything within the MAGA orbit, it's generally a tossup between dishonesty or incompetence.

Vance certainly came across as more human and relatable than he has in any of his media blitz doing constant damage control for Trump and himself.

Overall, it was nice to see two adults in a room, rather than one adult and one erratic man-baby like we've grown accustomed to in the debates.

My thoughts exactly.

[Moksha]

When I was a debater, we would get dinged when we lied. Now, I suppose the bar has been lowered to mere glibness. Huntley, Brinkley, and Walter Cronkite would have noticed that stuff back in the old days.

[ajax18]

In the next few days, we will see Trump unwinding much of Vance's words. Vance was too accommodating and too normal. He worked to make Trump's policies seem palatable, but that's not what the MAGA radicals want. Trump will pander to his base. The problem is his base isn't big enough to get him elected.

Anyone that loves Donald Trump, loves JD Vance. JD Vance is exactly what Trump's base wants and needs. JD Vance vindicated Trump picking him for VP when the liberal media were speculating that Trump might replace JD Vance. JD Vance defended president Trump better than Trump can defend himself. After falsely fact checking JD Vance on Hatian migrants flooding the southern border thanks to Biden's open border, all CBS could do was cut his microphone because they couldn't win the argument based on the facts.

And JD correctly read Walz's abortion legislation word, in that a Doctor has no legal obligation to keep a baby alive after being born alive during a botched abortion attempt. Since they could not explain how the text of this statute was being taken out of context, all Walz and CBS could do was lie with another false fact check. I am definitely one who is against debates run by partisan Democrats and I definitely don't think Trump is a good enough debater to make anything good come from them. But JD Vance seems to still be able to win one on three. I think the left in their pride and belief that the people of Appalachia are inferior to them caused them to underestimate JD Vance. Lucky for Walls they didn't even talk about JD's military service and Wall's being a knucklehead (his own words) and saying he was deployed when he wasn't.

[ajax18]

I think one of the most significant things to come from the debate is that JD Vance seems to not know high school level civics regarding what a Vice President can do. Either that, or he's dishonest. When it comes to anything within the MAGA orbit, it's generally a tossup between dishonesty or incompetence.

Are you saying Harris would have done anything different than Biden had she been president?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think one of the most significant things to come from the debate is that JD Vance seems to not know high school level civics regarding what a Vice President can do. Either that, or he's dishonest. When it comes to anything within the MAGA orbit, it's generally a tossup between dishonesty or incompetence.

Are you saying Harris would have done anything different than Biden had she been president?

[Doctor Steuss]

After falsely fact checking JD Vance on Hatian migrants flooding the southern border thanks to Biden's open border

Wait until you find out who the President was that initially gave Haitians in Springfield legal status. That'll be fun for your cog-dis.

[Doctor Steuss]

I think one of the most significant things to come from the debate is that JD Vance seems to not know high school level civics regarding what a Vice President can do. Either that, or he's dishonest. When it comes to anything within the MAGA orbit, it's generally a tossup between dishonesty or incompetence.

Are you saying Harris would have done anything different than Biden had she been president?

I think she would have tried to do things differently. Absolutely. She would have failed miserably due to obstructionism (we can't even secure our border because fealty to Trump is more important than our national security to MAGA). Biden is largely a status-quo neoliberal. Anywhere else in the world, where the spectrum isn't skewed by how radical and extremist one of our major parties is, he'd be seen as largely centrist. He could have comfortably run as a Republican in the 70's. Under Biden, we have produced more oil than not only in our entire history, but more oil than any other country. There have also been more federal permits granted. Just to give one example. US oil production and drilling under Biden makes Trump look like a tree-hugger EV soy-boy.

Harris seems to be much more progressive on a lot of issues, both economically, and socially. She also seems to be willing to try new concepts and think somewhat out of the box. That isn't necessarily always a good thing (her time as DA has a few examples of where her out of the box thinking was pretty horrific, in my opinion), but I don't think it's something Biden particularly excels at.

[Some Schmo]

Haitians are flooding the Southern boarder? Why would they take the long way through Mexico?

Do Republicans give any thought to whether their lies make any sense? Ever?

[Jersey Girl]

Oh Melania. What have you done, dear? BeBest. BreakRanks.

Former first lady Melania Trump said in a new video posted Thursday that she believes there is “no room for compromise” when it comes to a woman’s “individual freedom,” after The Guardian reported excerpts from her forthcoming book in which she says she supports abortion rights “free from any intervention or pressure from the government.”

“Individual freedom is a fundamental principle that I safeguard. Without a doubt, there is no room for compromise when it comes to this essential right that all women possess from birth, individual freedom. What does my body, my choice really mean?” the former first lady said in a video posted on X.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/03/politics ... index.html