Tina Peters sentenced to 9 years

[ajax18]

9 years for seeing voting data? What were they hiding?

Well, you see, she was an election official. And no doubt since waaaay back it has been the duty of election officials to see that no unauthorised person is allowed to fiddle around with the system that handles voting data. It's not hard to see why that is important, is it? You agree that it should not be possible to let election officials to allow that to happen - right? You don't have to have anything to hide to think that is a bad and dangerous thing to happen.

But this person allowed "a man associated with MyPillow’s Mike Lindell to enter the Mesa County election system after the 2020 election—a breach that gave illegal access to the very voting data it was her job to protect". And the man she let in was not some college researcher who was just interested in the way the statistics panned out. It was a person associated with a fervent supporter of the guy who lost the election. She must have known that what she was doing was wrong and illegal, and that any repetition needed to be strongly discouraged. So the judge gave her a tough sentence, of which it is to be hoped that others will take notice.

When you say fiddle around with the data was he altering it or just looking at it?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[yellowstone123]

For a more detailed and accessible news about the incident see below. I kept asking myself, what did she actually do that broke a statue where investigators could go to work and a judge could take jurisdiction and hear the case, and I found this link:

https://www.cpr.org/2024/08/12/tina-pet ... l-verdict/

and in other similar news:

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/12070767 ... uilty-plea

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/tr ... nity-brie/

Finally - you don't need to dehumanize another human being or those who see that person as a lesser threat than what is both in front of you and on the horizon. There are many super smart posters in this kingdom but lowering yourself to MAGA type marginalizing rhetoric only undermines the posts credibility.

[Kishkumen]

Well, you see, she was an election official. And no doubt since waaaay back it has been the duty of election officials to see that no unauthorised person is allowed to fiddle around with the system that handles voting data. It's not hard to see why that is important, is it? You agree that it should not be possible to let election officials to allow that to happen - right? You don't have to have anything to hide to think that is a bad and dangerous thing to happen.

But this person allowed "a man associated with MyPillow’s Mike Lindell to enter the Mesa County election system after the 2020 election—a breach that gave illegal access to the very voting data it was her job to protect". And the man she let in was not some college researcher who was just interested in the way the statistics panned out. It was a person associated with a fervent supporter of the guy who lost the election. She must have known that what she was doing was wrong and illegal, and that any repetition needed to be strongly discouraged. So the judge gave her a tough sentence, of which it is to be hoped that others will take notice.

You are fighting the noble fight here, Chap. I only hope that THIS TIME ajax actually acknowledges reality. Sorry to stoop down to the level of marginalizing him, if that is what I am actually doing. I really don’t understand ajax. I mean, I have a tendency to indulge in the thrill of negative attention myself every now and then, but ajax is off the charts. Dude has a Confederate general as his avatar—a man who fought for the right of white people to own brown people. How much more despicably vile does it get? I should not give him the dopamine hit of saying that. This is, after all, what he wants. He is trolling the libs and cutting off his own nose to spite his face. It is like an addiction to plastic surgery that ends in turning the patient into a freak show, but oddly they keep coming back for more.

[Gadianton]

Hold up. You’ve been apoplectic for nearly 4 years over your belief that ‘Democrats’ did what this women was clearly proven to have done, but now you want to tell us that she shouldn’t be jailed?

You're always a step of ahead of me on this stuff..

[yellowstone123]

Kishkumen wrote that ajax18 -

"has a Confederate general as his avatar—a man who fought for the right of white people to own brown people. How much more despicably vile does it get? "

I agree, and to me, that's fair. I wish he would alternate that avatar with one of a white flag, which is what Confederate General Robert E. Lee showed up with at Appomattox Court House indicating he and his army surrendered.

But then if a person want to dehumanize ajax18, or those who think like him with their writing, especially labeling him/them as human excrement or subhuman, or calling him something similar to "mentally impaired", then go buy yourself a MAGA hat and join the group, but put it on backwards because you're so anti-MAGA - so different. That type of toxic rhetoric is the foundation of genocide. Recently, it happed to the Tutsi and moderate Hutu population in Rwanda.

To humanize someone who you do not agree with, or to even meditate on humanizing that person can actually help heal yourself through a process call mindfulness. When I read about the issue the phrase, "people are complex" kept coming up. When John D. interviewed Helen Whitney on Mormon Stories she described meeting with Boyd K. Packer. She had heard about his history but she wanted to "humanize' him because she knew people are complex. It apparently didn't work because she was a feminist and a liberal but bonus points to her for giving it time and effort.

Finally, I think most of the people who live in the USA and watching what is going on are more concerned for our country than ever before. I was driving this morning and I was thinking about the political situation and then a thought appeared in my mind and I thought, that's it. Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

[Morley]

Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

Another way to humanize would be to let Trump be processed through the justice system, like any other person--and to not make him any more or less of a human than anyone else. Preemptive forgiveness (because of their station in life) is something we do for children or animals, not presumedly rational adults. If Trump were to be pardoned before he's even tried, we would not get to know for certain whether or not he did anything wrong. We can't truly heal until we discover the extent of the wounds.

[yellowstone123]

Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

Another way to humanize would be to let Trump be processed through the justice system, like any other person--and to not make him any more or less of a human than anyone else. Preemptive forgiveness (because of their station in life) is something we do for children or animals, not presumedly rational adults. If Trump were to be pardoned before he's tried, we would not get to know for certain whether or not he did anything wrong. We can't truly heal until we discover the extent of the wounds.

In a way I agree, Morley, but Trump is Trump and it’s not likely going to happen given his age. It also sounds like Alma 42: can mercy rob justice.

I must ask this - and if I’m remembering right, Nixon resigned as the House began drawing up articles of impeachment. The atmosphere was that both sides of the aisle in the senate chamber - just on what was known- that they would vote to convict and remove him from office and that information was relayed to him. Nixon resigned. Then Ford pardoned him, which was interesting because I believe it was for what he did in office. He wasn’t convicted of anything but was granted a pardon so no charges could be brought towards him. I think it was to help the country heal.

I don’t know, maybe you’re right. I would hope it wouldn’t protect him blanketly, but in a way to get rid of him and be done with him. I would hope that if it is revealed that he did something that seriously harmed or ended an American citizen’s life without due process of that law then they could go get him.

Any harm that happened before or after he was in office where individuals or a government is bringing charges or a complaint then he still needs to respond. But while in office, let it go so he can move on and play golf.

[Res Ipsa]

Another way to humanize would be to let Trump be processed through the justice system, like any other person--and to not make him any more or less of a human than anyone else. Preemptive forgiveness (because of their station in life) is something we do for children or animals, not presumedly rational adults. If Trump were to be pardoned before he's tried, we would not get to know for certain whether or not he did anything wrong. We can't truly heal until we discover the extent of the wounds.

In a way I agree, Morley, but Trump is Trump and it’s not likely going to happen given his age. It also sounds like Alma 42: can mercy rob justice.

I must ask this - and if I’m remembering right, Nixon resigned as the House began drawing up articles of impeachment. The atmosphere was that both sides of the aisle in the senate chamber - just on what was known- that they would vote to convict and remove him from office and that information was relayed to him. Nixon resigned. Then Ford pardoned him, which was interesting because I believe it was for what he did in office. He wasn’t convicted of anything but was granted a pardon so no charges could be brought towards him. I think it was to help the country heal.

I don’t know, maybe you’re right. I would hope it wouldn’t protect him blanketly, but in a way to get rid of him and be done with him. I would hope that if it is revealed that he did something that seriously harmed or ended an American citizen’s life without due process of that law then they could go get him.

Any harm that happened before or after he was in office where individuals or a government is bringing charges or a complaint then he still needs to respond. But while in office, let it go so he can move on and play golf.

The tension between justice and mercy is tough for me when the person we are talking about is powerful and unrepentant. I think Ford’s pardon of Nixon was well intentioned, but I question whether it healed anything. Perhaps it would have been more healing for the country to show the citizenry that the powerful are accountable to the same laws that the rest of us are.

Should mercy be extended to one who does not seek it?

[Some Schmo]

Kamala Harris wins the election and on the first day as president of the United States and the first thing she does as Chief Executive of the Nation is to sign a paper which grants a pardon to Donald Trump. Later that day she gives her first news conference where she says that she forgives Donald Trump for all the hateful things he said about her and wishes him well. That would be a significant way to start the healing process in the USA.

That's one of the worst ideas I can imagine. You can't forgive a guy who's done nothing for restitution; it's an awful precedent.

You seem to underestimate how many people in this country are sick of powerful people getting away with everything, especially an obvious thug like Trump. You want to start healing America? Hold Trump accountable. He's a convicted felon, and no amount of handwaving and rationalizing changes that simple fact.