I Want My Party Back

[Marcus]

You didn't address the issue.
It is Trump's standard procedure to label a significant portion of the population with numerous insults and slurs. It is despicable and an utter embarrassment that we have a president who behaves how he does.

I completely concur with you that Trump is an unpleasant individual. However, his unpleasant nature does not imply that those who support him are Nazis. We need to develop a new strategy for 2026 because the approach of labeling the Republicans as Nazis and fascists did not yield any results. In reality, it likely motivated Republicans to head to the polls.

Lol. You are perpetuating a lie. And no, calling Trump an 'unpleasant individual' doesn't cover it. That's like calling the bubonic plague an 'unpleasant infection.'

...Harris never called Americans Nazis. Are you getting your talking points from Fox? C’mon.

[Hound of Heaven]

In 2020, Biden garnered 81 million votes. In 2024, Kamala received 68 million. One of the primary reasons Kamala performed significantly worse than Biden is that the American public does not perceive half the nation as a group of Nazis. Making such an absurd assertion during an election only undermines the trust of those who are prepared to cast their votes. Obama inspired hope and change, and people admired him for it. Kamala inspired with vote for me because the other candidate and your neighbors are Nazis. It was unsuccessful! She struggled to persuade them, but her words fell on deaf ears. Pew Research Center identifies merely 6 percent of Americans and 12 percent of Democrats as belonging to the "progressive left." If a moderate democrat like Joe Manchin, Jacky Rosen, Bob Casey, or Governor Shapiro had run for president, they would likely be president-elect today instead of the current situation. Kamala was likely the least favorable candidate to run, and the final national vote tally supports this conclusion.

No, If any of the above ran for President, they’d be cast as leftist extremists because that’s the tactic the right has used for decades. Well maybe not Manchin, because he’s right of center.

Harris never called Americans Nazis. Are you getting your talking points from Fox? C’mon.

I apologize if I stated that Harris referred to Americans as Nazis. I was addressing the notion that over the past few months, I feel that a significant portion of her support has been undermined by the party and the news media, which have been working diligently to persuade Americans that voting for Trump equates to supporting Nazis. I believe that approach is not effective for Democrats. I’m not receiving my talking points from Fox. Some members of this forum seem to struggle with posting without adding an insult at the conclusion of their messages. That may be acceptable, but it serves as just a minor illustration of the reasons behind Kamala's loss. We won't attract new voters by attempting to persuade individuals that Republicans are akin to Nazis.Trump has a daughter who embraced Judaism. his grandchildren identify as Jewish. Benjamin Netanyahu was among the first global leaders to call Trump and congratulate him. If we are going to attempt to assign a label to Trump, let's ensure it is something that is credible.

[ceeboo]

Hi HOH,

Because you seem to be wanting advice/opinions/perspectives from fellow democrats (and there is certainly nothing wrong with that), I will simply say a few words.

I agree with much of what you posted - I think any moderate democrat would have beaten Trump - And lastly, it is my opinion that it would be very hard to understate how meaningful and impactful this newly formed coalition (In part, those you mentioned in your OP - like Gabbard, Kennedy, Musk, Rogan, etc) has been - and has the potential to be in the future of American politics.

Unfortunately, there will be many of the political left that will refuse to consider any of this and will continue to scream vulgarities at individual people and point fingers of blame at large and complex groups of people (Christians, White men, uneducated women, LDS folks, racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc)

Anyway - thanks for the board contribution. I enjoyed reading it.

LOL, my friend.

Hey Res.

I doubt your Dream coalition will make it six months together.

First, it's not "my dream coalition." I was suggesting how significant/impactful it was (and will continue to be in my opinion) for a diverse group of people to come together in a political campaign. I suggested it because it's true. Truth doesn't change because of your personal feelings about the individual members in the coalition - nor does it reduce the impact that said coalition had on this election. It had a huge impact.

And, please, playing the victim after your guy won the election? Really?

I wasn't playing the victim - I was sharing my thoughts (a very condensed version of them) regarding the OP.

I’m dealing with the fallout of half of the voters who voted for the guy who demonized them in 100 millions of negative advertising.
I’ll bet you aren’t spending your day supporting folks who are suicidal over the campaign of hate that targeted them. So, you’ll have to excuse me for not having room in my compassion tank today.

Out of respect and the enormous weight involved in your post, I am unwilling to reply. I am sorry that you are dealing with such heavy circumstances.

[Hound of Heaven]

I completely concur with you that Trump is an unpleasant individual. However, his unpleasant nature does not imply that those who support him are Nazis. We need to develop a new strategy for 2026 because the approach of labeling the Republicans as Nazis and fascists did not yield any results. In reality, it likely motivated Republicans to head to the polls.

Lol. You are perpetuating a lie. And no, calling Trump an 'unpleasant individual' doesn't cover it. That's like calling the bubonic plague an 'unpleasant infection.'

...Harris never called Americans Nazis. Are you getting your talking points from Fox? C’mon.

Does my reluctance to discuss Trump and his supporters in a harsh manner, unlike some of the contributors on the board, indicate that my assessment is flawed?

[Some Schmo]

Does my reluctance to discuss Trump and his supporters in a harsh manner, unlike some of the contributors on the board, indicate that my assessment is flawed?

It certainly doesn't include the fact that Nazis feel like they have a home in the GOP party. So yeah, it's pretty flawed.

[yellowstone123]

Thank you for your post, Hound of Heaven. If Trump favored Hitler at any time one might think that his son in-law Jared Kushner, or his daughter Invanka would say something. Here is an article about Jared Kushner’s book about being by Trump's side while he was in office, his daughter’s conversion to Orthodox Judaism, and other thoughts.

https://forward.com/news/512645/kushner-book-judaism-i

If anyone would call out someone who resembles a modern day dictator who was a threat to the Jewish people it would be Jews in the United States and Israel.

OMG... your argument is that because Trump isn't specifically calling for Jews to be rounded up and deported, he's not similar to Hitler?

Jesus damned Christ. No wonder Trump was elected. The level of delusional rationalization is off the damned charts.

Thanks, Schmo. I like your passion. Can you explain why the Harris’s campaign doubled down on the Hitler rhetoric, including the vice president, especially after early voting began. Why didn’t former presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg refer to Trump as Hitler or financial guru Jamie Dimon, both who voted for Kamala Harris.

Is it only certain people who are in the know? Those in Hollywood, the universities or the legacy media. Some how we all must let them think for us, we must let them regulate the information. Please spill the tea as everyone who voted for Hitler wants to know.

Just think what could have been if Harris had chosen Shapiro, who is Jewish and governor of the one swing state she needed to win, instead of Waltz who is governor of a state with less electoral votes which could be counted on to vote for Democratic Party nominee.

[canpakes]

Hi, HoH -

For your consideration: the first two reasons given for your disaffection for Harris as a candidate for the people seem to be rooted in your dissatisfaction with actions outside of the control of … the people (In other words, your neighbors, etc.) and possibly Harris herself. If you chose to not vote for Harris primarily for those two reasons, then your action serves to deprive millions who had no say in what a handful of the party leadership decided, of the chance to experience the candidate and her policies. This ends up primarily affecting the most vulnerable and least empowered, while doing little or nothing in the way of effectively addressing the root problem.

As regards insults: the opposing party has relied on insults and lies for years, plainly evidenced by vast numbers of ‘FJB’ flags, ‘F*ck Your Feelings’ shirts, and completely fabricated nonsense such as election fraud claims complete with death threats against election officials and outright fabrications demonizing particular immigrant groups as supposedly eating pets. There are a few hundred other examples but I’m not mentioning this to make any excuse for it; rather, to point out that whatever level of insulting behavior that you see Democrats as exhibiting doesn’t seem to be any more grievous than what has been offered from the other side. I don’t see any evidence that if Democratic voters became fixated on avoiding insults that this results in any gain in numbers. As a nation, this just isn’t how we prefer to act, and it makes no sense to pin the blame for that on any particular party.

Comparisons to Hitler have been happening for decades, are quaint, and largely understood to be figurative in attitude as opposed to literal. Fixation on that as a reason for a party’s decline doesn’t hold up.

[Some Schmo]

Thanks, Schmo. I like your passion. Can you explain why the Harris’s campaign doubled down on the Hitler rhetoric, including the vice president, especially after early voting began.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I followed Harris's entire campaign and I don't ever remember her comparing Trump to Hitler. I did hear her comment on Trump's National Security advisor saying he believed Trump had fascistic tendencies. Is that what you're thinking of?

Why didn’t former presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg refer to Trump as Hitler or financial guru Jamie Dimon, both who voted for Kamala Harris.

Because they're public figures and I imagine they likely thought Trump's infinite inadequacies should have been enough.

Is it only certain people who are in the know? Those in Hollywood, the universities or the legacy media. Some how we all must let them think for us, we must let them regulate the information. Please spill the tea as everyone who voted for Hitler wants to know.

Again, I don't know what world you're living in. All of the information about Trump and his plans were out in the open. You would have to go out of your way to ignore it. That's what makes Trump support so remarkable. We all know who he is. His supporters pretend not to, or are so horrible at assessing character, they don't see it (the blindness of a black hole).

Just think what could have been if Harris had chosen Shapiro, who is Jewish and governor of the one swing state she needed to win, instead of Waltz who is governor of a state with less electoral votes which could be counted on to vote for Democratic Party nominee.

It wouldn't have changed anything. Tim Walz is not why Trump won.

[Res Ipsa]

Lol. You are perpetuating a lie. And no, calling Trump an 'unpleasant individual' doesn't cover it. That's like calling the bubonic plague an 'unpleasant infection.'

Does my reluctance to discuss Trump and his supporters in a harsh manner, unlike some of the contributors on the board, indicate that my assessment is flawed?

Not in and of itself. But closing your eyes to it gives the lie to your claim that people are abandoning the D party because the R party is more compassionate. The fact that people didn’t flee the R party In response to the sheer nastiness of Trump makes your point closer to concern trolling than to a genuine attempt to improve the Party’s chances of winning elective office.

[Doctor Steuss]

I think it worth noting/reminding that Trump's own Republican Vice President has compared him to Hitler.