Mass deportations of undocumented immigrants

[Bret Ripley]

As Dr. E said elsewhere, it's going to be Christmas for immigration lawyers

... 6 billion asylum cases/year ...

Have you an ounce of honesty within you? Serious question.

[yellowstone123]

As Dr. E said elsewhere, it's going to be Christmas for immigration lawyers

I don't think the founding fathers thought due process meant that the American taxpayer is on the hook for 6 billion asylum cases/year and providing social welfare and public services for the next five years while we slog through the backlog. This is abuse of the asylum system and thankfully the American people have been hit in the pocketbook hard enough that they have voted to put a stop to it.

Remember, ajax18 about checks and balances in the USA.

All three branches of the government have certain responsibilities but one can move to block what they believe is an unconstitutional move by another branch. If the House and Senate passed a bill that allowed deportation of those who walked across the border illegally the president can refuse to sign the bill, or a court can block it. I'm sure you remember this from political science 100.

Here is a quick A.I response.

Yes, illegal immigrants are entitled to due process under the U.S. Constitution. The Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment applies to all people in the United States, regardless of legal status. This means that undocumented immigrants have the right to fair legal proceedings and protection from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property.

Here are some other constitutional rights that apply to undocumented immigrants:

5th Amendment : Undocumented immigrants have the right to remain silent and cannot be compelled to incriminate themselves.

4th Amendment:Undocumented immigrants are protected from unreasonable searches and seizures. Equal treatment under the law
Undocumented immigrants are entitled to the same equal treatment under the law as U.S. citizens.

Various legal precedents, such as Zadvydas v. Davis (2001), have reinforced this right for undocumented immigrants, ensuring that they receive the same judicial considerations as citizens in deportation or other legal matters.

[Dr Exiled]

6 BBBilllllllion asylum cases per year in a country with a population of 330 million!!!! No wonder I can't go to the grocery store without running into a mass of people that look illegal. Haha.

I'm sure ajax 18 meant a different number. Here is what the department of homeland security says: https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration ... low-report

The asylee report says 456,750 filed in 2023 for asylum.

So, maybe I won't be making $Billions as an immigration lawyer, but perhaps it'll be a decent area of law, you know, to help people who want the american dream. I might discuss this further with my immigration paralegal client. Right now he's sending the cases to a Texas immigration lawyer.

By the way, I play golf in a mexican league and a lot of them voted for Trump surprisingly. They are catholic and/or businessmen and I guess religion and economics "Trumped" their decision making.

[canpakes]

... 6 billion asylum cases/year ...

Have you an ounce of honesty within you? Serious question.

On the plus side, this figure would indicate that each illegal resident is likely sharing an apartment with about 8,000 other roommates. That’s pretty efficient.

[Doctor Steuss]

As Dr. E said elsewhere, it's going to be Christmas for immigration lawyers

I don't think the founding fathers thought due process meant that the American taxpayer is on the hook for 6 billion asylum cases/year and providing social welfare and public services for the next five years while we slog through the backlog. This is abuse of the asylum system and thankfully the American people have been hit in the pocketbook hard enough that they have voted to put a stop to it.

I imagine the Founding Fathers also didn't anticipate American citizens being detained without representation by the government. Yet, that's what we got the last go-around with Trump. One American citizen was detained without representation for a year, and then finally just cut loose by Trump's admin without comment.

While it wasn't during Trump's tenure; while driving through the jurisdiction of one of Trump's heroes, my ex-wife was pulled over. The reason the officer gave for detaining her? They ran her out of state plate, and the last name on the registration "sounded Mexican." As long as they don't start targeting Irish, Italian, Greek, German, Scottish, or French sounding names, right? Police states are groovy, as long as you aren't a target.

[Markk]

I have a close family member that is in law enforcement and supervises a joint task force, federal, county, state, unit in Southern Ca. Mostly in greater LA. It focuses on cartel drugs coming over the border. Fentanyl, cocaine, heroin and meth. He shows me photos of tables full of drugs and cash almost every time we see each other.

The way it works now is that when they raid a house or auto, and bust someone, most always a Mexican immigrant here illegally or with a green card. The bust could be a few million fentanyl pills with 500K in cash, or more, and they just take the pills and cash and let the person go. They try to turn them into a snitch, but either way it is a waste of time to take them to jail, in that they won't call ICE, and they just release them with a citation, and it takes at least two team members off the streets/unit for 4 hours or so (6 man units) making more dangerous for the Unit.. The best thing that will happen is that the fed's might file on them, issue a warrant and hopefully the next time they get caught the feds can put a hold on them, and possibly deport then or throw them in prison or both. But many get wacked by the cartel if they can't pay it pack, so becoming a snitch is good in that the snitch will get 10% of a cash take. The agencies get 80% for O-T and equipment to self fund the operation.

My point, and in context with the OP, is that with Gaston being voted out and hopefully a rea commitment to a strong border and immigration policy they will start deporting and/or locking these folks up first. And get those that are known criminals and gang members out of here.

A new policy will also, and maybe more importantly off the bat, stop it at the border, and enforce the laws we have for a legal path to citizenship and stop the drugs and extortion business' by the cartels.

This where I believe they will start and I believe it is a good thing.

[canpakes]

If Trump really wanted to round up the undocumented, he would focus on every employer and force them to comply with the immigration laws on the books already.

That would make sense, except that it’s not showy enough for The Base, and it would also get a substantial number of MAGA business owners in some trouble. We can’t have that.

One way around the second item would be for the incoming Administration to have an alternative option to workforce deportation when dealing with a MAGA-friendly business owner, and that would be to charge a small fee for having hired so many undocumented workers, after which ICE will look the other way. Those business owners will likely be instructed to make their checks out to Lara Trump.

[Bret Ripley]

Have you an ounce of honesty within you? Serious question.

On the plus side, this figure would indicate that each illegal resident is likely sharing an apartment with about 8,000 other roommates. That’s pretty efficient.

Now that's some hoopy thinking. At the top of the Department of Governmental Efficiency's priority list: hire 6 billion illegal immigrants.

[ajax18]

6 BBBilllllllion asylum cases per year in a country with a population of 330 million!!!! No wonder I can't go to the grocery store without running into a mass of people that look illegal. Haha.

I'm sure ajax 18 meant a different number. Here is what the department of homeland security says: https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration ... low-report

What I mean is that it could potentially be everyone in the world could come to the border and file for political asylum. Granted that hasn't happened yet, but it's headed that way, and our system is still way more than the taxpayer can afford right now. Asylum shouldn't mean anyone and everyone can come to the US and make this kind of claim on the US Taxpayer.

The asylee report says 456,750 filed in 2023 for asylum.

What about the other 10 million that arrived in the last four years?

By the way, I play golf in a mexican league and a lot of them voted for Trump surprisingly. They are catholic and/or businessmen and I guess religion and economics "Trumped" their decision making.

And I think they would be in favor of a merit based immigration system as opposed to the system Democrats and establishment Retpublicans gave us for the past 50 years, where you just come in univited, shout "Asylum" and you're in for the next five years, and in response to the original post, never to be deported because it's impossible to deport you at that point.

[canpakes]

6 BBBilllllllion asylum cases per year in a country with a population of 330 million!!!! No wonder I can't go to the grocery store without running into a mass of people that look illegal. Haha.

What I mean is that it could potentially be everyone in the world could come to the border and file for political asylum. Granted that hasn't happened yet, but it's headed that way, and our system is still way more than the taxpayer can afford right now.

This sounds like a superb opportunity, ajax. Once everyone from every nation has arrived and filed for asylum, there will be no defenders left within any other country. We can assemble a few hundred Meal Team Sixes from the neighborhood good ol’ boys, walk in, take over, and expand Empire ‘Murica to be 90% of the planet. Then we can send everyone back to where they came from (it’ll all be ’Murica anyway) for them to slave away, making cheap products for the Original Homelanders in the Continental 48.

Go tell the boys what’s up while I load the pickup with beers, chips and ammo.