FAFO v. Empathy

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Re: FAFO v. Empathy

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:10 am
I don't want you to say what you think I want to hear. I want you to say what you think.
As soon as I read this, I regretted my comment, thinking, That's true. Jersey Girl is like that.
I haven't even said what *I* think yet so please don't second guess me. If you want me to put my cards on the table first, I'm happy to do that.

I got cards. I got the best cards. Nobody's ever seen cards like I have. ;)
Your OP seemed to come down on the side of empathy, but perhaps you have more to say.
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So I guess I'll tell you what I think. I think some people need to suffer to learn because they suck at abstract thought. They have to viscerally experience pain to learn a lesson because they can't learn it through thought experiments.

I am completely reserving my empathy for Harris voters who will be the victims of American idiocy. Trump voters can suck an active tailpipe.
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I'll just say, this last election radically changed my view of Americans. The first time Trump won, you could chalk it up to a fluke, or that Americans were looking for something new and just failed, or that Hillary was a terrible candidate (not to mention Russia's propaganda machine).

This time, however, we had all witnessed Trump's incompetence, and the majority still voted for the psychopath/thief/rapist/liar/moron/etc. I'm no longer focused on Trump's idiocy; America's idiocy has captured all my attention.

And, frankly, we're making plans to retire in another country. It might take some time, but Trumpfucks get their wish. We're self-deporting proudly. I want to spend and support Americans for as little time as possible before we seek refuge from the morons. We need to leave before it becomes official that this is a third world shithole country.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2025 2:14 pm
I'll just say, this last election radically changed my view of Americans. The first time Trump won, you could chalk it up to a fluke, or that Americans were looking for something new and just failed, or that Hillary was a terrible candidate (not to mention Russia's propaganda machine).

This time, however, we had all witnessed Trump's incompetence, and the majority still voted for the psychopath/thief/rapist/liar/moron/etc. I'm no longer focused on Trump's idiocy; America's idiocy has captured all my attention....
That's what gets me too. It is astonishing how many people will say things like "Trump didn't sexually assault anyone because that jury in NYC was full of biased people who didn't do the right thing," or, 'Trump wasn't convicted of rape---technically,' or. my personal pet peeve, when they excuse Trump saying 'grab a woman by the pussy' because 'what about ___?' Fill in the blank. People's standards have completely failed them.
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I should be able to get back here tomorrow. Hold my place. :)
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That's what gets me too. It is astonishing how many people will say things like "Trump didn't sexually assault anyone because that jury in NYC was full of biased people who didn't do the right thing," or, 'Trump wasn't convicted of rape---technically,' or. my personal pet peeve, when they excuse Trump saying 'grab a woman by the pussy' because 'what about ___?' Fill in the blank. People's standards have completely failed them.
Making excuses for one of the most obvious psychopaths in our lifetime shows that the average American is too busy inspecting the inside of their lower colon to see Trump for what he is. I suppose if your eyes are clouded with your own crap from having your head up your ass all day, Trump may appear acceptable.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:20 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:00 am
That's what gets me too. It is astonishing how many people will say things like "Trump didn't sexually assault anyone because that jury in NYC was full of biased people who didn't do the right thing," or, 'Trump wasn't convicted of rape---technically,' or. my personal pet peeve, when they excuse Trump saying 'grab a woman by the pussy' because 'what about ___?' Fill in the blank. People's standards have completely failed them.
Making excuses for one of the most obvious psychopaths in our lifetime shows that the average American is too busy inspecting the inside of their lower colon to see Trump for what he is. I suppose if your eyes are clouded with your own crap from having your head up your ass all day, Trump may appear acceptable.
And I really don't understand why. What is the appeal?
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:35 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:20 pm

Making excuses for one of the most obvious psychopaths in our lifetime shows that the average American is too busy inspecting the inside of their lower colon to see Trump for what he is. I suppose if your eyes are clouded with your own crap from having your head up your ass all day, Trump may appear acceptable.
And I really don't understand why. What is the appeal?
Maybe adults are just old children. There’s no magical date when our brains stop rationalizing ‘like children’ in favor of processing things ‘like adults’. That process occurs along a spectrum and not all aspects of behavior mature at the same rate. At the risk of sounding like I’m addressing only MAGA folks (I’m not), some people will continue to process some events with a very simplistic or emotional process that ignores a more rational assessment.

A good example of that was seen today. Zelenskyy sat with Trump and Vance to discuss the war situation, and at the end of that meeting, both Trump and Vance launched into Zelenskyy in a bizarrely juvenile and untruthful display, including Trump regressing into complaints about Hunter Biden, and defending Putin for having to ‘put up with’ collusion claims (imagine defending Putin’s feelings while the leader of a country that Putin has killed a million citizens from after an illegal invasion is sitting right next to you). MAGA fans will probably watch what happened and conclude ‘Gosh! Trump Strong!!’ - and even Trump said at the end that the exchange will make for ‘good TV’ - but I can’t imagine most rational people watching Trump’s word choices, posture and tone and seeing anything other than the dysfunctional, petulant and embarrassing behavior of a privileged man-child.

It’s definitely going to be one for the history books.
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:35 pm
And I really don't understand why. What is the appeal?
He represents a caveman's idea of strength, and the people most likely to deny evolution or believe Jesus wants Trump are the most caveman-like of all.

That's my best guess, but like you, I don't really have a true idea. It's baffling. I don't remember a more repellent person in my lifetime. He wants to be king, and he's the king of douche bags. I'll give him that.
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Back. The day got away from me so I'll just give the quick and dirty on what I think about this. I might end up arguing with myself so just ignore that part if it happens. I intentionally did NOT read any of the new replies/posts made, especially those made by Schmo. I know he posted and I think Marcus, but I zoomed right past those to say I'd be back.

I do think it's more productive to exercise empathy for voters who, in light of recent rapidly shifting events, have come to regret their vote. Did they get what they voted for? Pretty much yeah, but I suppose they never expected it to affect them. Did Trump BS his way back in? Sure did. Are we in good hands? Not even close. I'll spare readers the whole spiel about how and why I think he operates, as well as who he's beholden to, and why he wanted back in to start with. I think many or most of us know all of that.

The way this society is with the news being so skewed and biased, information being leaked out like a faucet that drips daily, is exhausting and near impossible for the average person to follow which I think is the reason behind it and also greed. Gone are the days where factual news is the norm. News outlets are no longer a public service. They're largely rotten from the top down with corporate greed. So there is that.

Anyway...trying to cut to some kind of chase here. I think it would be important for us to be open to sincerely hearing out the complaints of those closest to us. Keeping the door open so they have a way to come back so to speak. Spouses, family, friends, and co-workers. I'd want them to be able to voice their concerns and regret and partner with them in searching out facts or simply have an open non-cotentious conversation of why we each made our own choices. I know as I'm typing this that it's a big ask that requires patience that might be in short supply right now.

If we shut the door like some of us have, written people off even family members, then what is the profit to us in that?

There just isn't any profit. All it does is maintain the status quo...the stale mate...the perpetual pissing contest. Sort of like the Congress folk who we gave the job of running the country, acting in our collective interest, and who can't seem to stop playing games with power....and us.

I do believe in the ripple effect of the actions of one person. This is going to sound weird but I've been known to change the nature of an entire workplace by simply modeling and starting a ripple, that turned into a wave. I've set the tone more than once in my life. That's not a brag. That's fact.

If we open ourselves to that type of dialogue with folks who have no where to voice their concerns, I fully believe we can make a difference. If your BIL (let's say) comes over and you somehow enter into the discussion and it proves beneficial, who is to say that your BIL won't be open to sharing his concerns with those who voted the way he did and so on and so forth. That's the ripple I'm talking about.

This society is so mangled and messed up. Do we have to be part of that in our relationships? It's not present in my own relationships. I listen to what others have to say without debate. There are days (because I've been incredibly sick for so long) that I shut it down and say "I don't care" and walk away. That's self preservation. But I always tell folks who think (and obviously voted) differently than I did that they have a right to exercise their views through their vote. Because they do.

I've lost my train of thought...I think that what changes minds isn't debate. It's experience. When, for example, new policies hit home that's the flashpoint in which change happens. I guess what I'm saying (and Fonda was saying) is that we need to be able to give folks a place to go with their shock and disappointment. The tent as she calls it. Some place to land and not leave them wandering around feeling isolated or end up ruminating and doing something crazy and risky.

We don't need folks losing their minds. We need folks finding their footing again.

Okay...zipping it now. :?

Disclaimer: I refuse to be held responsible for whatever I said in this post. I don't even remember the beginning of it at this point. Not even close to joking here.
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