Guns in America

[canpakes]

Atlanticmike, I'm assuming that your daughters can access the safe at any time, and that you don't necessarily know if they have, when they do?

Do either of your daughter's friends know about the weapons that you own? How trustworthy are those friends, and their friends?

Yes!!! Yes!!! Thank you so much for writing this post, honestly, thank you! Because you, more than anyone else canpakes, are able to show how PROGRESSIVES think a differing opinion is "continued disruption" or a differing opinion "destroys" a discussion board. That is you!!! That is what you believe without a doubt!! That's how a cult member thinks! Thank you for proving my point! To you, a gun is an evil object that has the ability to sprout legs, start running around and shooting people whenever it chooses. That's why you put on a trigger lock then in a safe then locked in a closet. In your warped world, children walk around with acetylene torches on their back, waiting for their parents to leave so they can turn the gas on and start melting the metal lock and retrieve the evil gun!! On the other hand, I see a gun as a tool that is used by people to save lives. In your warped since of reality, you would be happier if women or young children just give themselves over to home Invaders, let them do what they want to their victims. Possibly agree to join in on a therapy session. I guess in your PROGRESSIVE world, atleast no one died!! But for me and my family!! We choose to fight! We don't cower in corners and if found give ourselves over to robbers and thieves and rapist! If you Progressives want to cower in corners, fine by me!! But you're not going to make my family become cowardly, milk livered, gutless members of your PROGRESSIVE cult!

The son in the video that protected his dad by shooting all three home intruders with a high capacity magazine, what did he do wrong in your opinion??

Apparently, your answer to all three questions is that you don’t know.

[doubtingthomas]

I said over 5000 deaths, but going back to the chart, I was in error. The categories are "deaths and injuries", in 2020, for ages 0-11 it's 999; for ages 12-17 it's 4,142.

I suspect many of the 4,142 victims are 16-17 year olds who join violent gangs, or look for trouble. Statistically a drunk driver is a greater threat to an innocent child.

Acts of defense, still only "just under 1500."

But I do agree suicide is a greater threat. Statistically a child is very unlikely to need a gun for self-defense.

[Res Ipsa]

Should that be 454 per month?

Yes, sorry. And now it's 455 last month. It's a scary chart.

Damn transposition errors!

[Atlanticmike]

Atlanticmike, I'm assuming that your daughters can access the safe at any time, and that you don't necessarily know if they have, when they do?

Do either of your daughter's friends know about the weapons that you own? How trustworthy are those friends, and their friends?

Yes!!! Yes!!! Thank you so much for writing this post, honestly, thank you! Because you, more than anyone else canpakes, are able to show how PROGRESSIVES think a differing opinion is "continued disruption" or a differing opinion "destroys" a discussion board. That is you!!! That is what you believe without a doubt!! That's how a cult member thinks! Thank you for proving my point! To you, a gun is an evil object that has the ability to sprout legs, start running around and shooting people whenever it chooses. That's why you put on a trigger lock then in a safe then locked in a closet. In your warped world, children walk around with acetylene torches on their back, waiting for their parents to leave so they can turn the gas on and start melting the metal lock and retrieve the evil gun!! On the other hand, I see a gun as a tool that is used by people to save lives. In your warped since of reality, you would be happier if women or young children just give themselves over to home Invaders, let them do what they want to their victims. Possibly agree to join in on a therapy session. I guess in your PROGRESSIVE world, atleast no one died!! But for me and my family!! We choose to fight! We don't cower in corners and if found give ourselves over to robbers and thieves and rapist! If you Progressives want to cower in corners, fine by me!! But you're not going to make my family become cowardly, milk livered, gutless members of your PROGRESSIVE cult!

The son in the video that protected his dad by shooting all three home intruders with a high capacity magazine, what did he do wrong in your opinion??

Apparently, your answer to all three questions is that you don’t know.

My answer was clear! There will always be men like you, your other account Marcus, Doc Cam and K Graham. Always!!! The founding fathers knew that and they tried there best to make sure when men like you came into power, it would be hard for you guys to destroy the Constitution and the freedom it gives us Americans and the freedom it has spread across the Earth. Unfortunately, servitude is appealing to a large majority of men these days. Like I said before, we have at least two generations now that actually think socialism will "cure" all the problems found with the racist racist United States! They're willing to give up there freedom for "equity" whatever the hell that is!! And unfortunately, there's always been men throughout history that are more than willing to bow at the feet of Big Government. Go ahead pancakes! Give up your guns!! While you're at it, give up free speech. Give up real freedom so you can FEEL SAFE & SECURE!! Trust me, it's in your nature, it's who you guys are, it's part of your PROGRESSIVE disease.

[Marcus]

Apparently, your answer to all three questions is that you don’t know.

My answer was clear! There will always be men like you, your other account Marcus, Doc Cam and K Graham. Always!!! The founding fathers knew that and they tried there best to make sure when men like you came into power, it would be hard for you guys to destroy the Constitution and the freedom it gives us Americans and the freedom it has spread across the Earth. Unfortunately, servitude is appealing to a large majority of men these days. Like I said before, we have at least two generations now that actually think socialism will "cure" all the problems found with the racist racist United States! They're willing to give up there freedom for "equity" whatever the hell that is!! And unfortunately, there's always been men throughout history that are more than willing to bow at the feet of Big Government. Go ahead pancakes! Give up your guns!! While you're at it, give up free speech. Give up real freedom so you can FEEL SAFE & SECURE!! Trust me, it's in your nature, it's who you guys are, it's part of your PROGRESSIVE disease.

And apparently 'i don't know' is still the answer.

Although, in full disclosure I have to admit I don't really read the full rants this person posts. You can tell about 6 words whether there is content (and there almost NEVER is), so what would be the point? : D

[canpakes]

My answer was clear! There will always be men like you, your other account Marcus, Doc Cam and K Graham. Always!!! The founding fathers knew that and they tried there best to make sure when men like you came into power, it would be hard for you guys to destroy the Constitution and the freedom it gives us Americans and the freedom it has spread across the Earth. Unfortunately, servitude is appealing to a large majority of men these days. Like I said before, we have at least two generations now that actually think socialism will "cure" all the problems found with the racist racist United States! They're willing to give up there freedom for "equity" whatever the hell that is!! And unfortunately, there's always been men throughout history that are more than willing to bow at the feet of Big Government. Go ahead pancakes! Give up your guns!! While you're at it, give up free speech. Give up real freedom so you can FEEL SAFE & SECURE!! Trust me, it's in your nature, it's who you guys are, it's part of your PROGRESSIVE disease.

And apparently 'i don't know' is still the answer.

I guess so.

It’s a serious set of questions, and a serious firearms owner can engage them, because they’ve given those issues some thought. Let’s hope that Mike ends up taking firearms ownership more seriously, for the sake of his children, and their friends.

[dantana]

Well, back in the old days, firearms were in essence the ultimate weapon and it made sense to want the right to bear arms to guard against a world history of tyranny. Today though, not as much, in regards to the usefulness of firearms in putting down a guy like Trump through force. All the hayseeds in the country with their ARs and thousand round clips aren't going to stand much chance against Apache helos and AC gunships. Like Rep. Swalwell says, "we've got the nukes."

[dantana]

Also, it's just not a one-size-fits-all scenario. I'd reckon a guess to say that - idiots with guns - people that die through accidental discharge or have their own gun used on them - is demographic in nature.

Personally, I feel a little bit more secure knowing I have a 38 in my nightstand. It is absolutely un-findable by anyone but me and my wife. Custom built false bottom drawer, cabinet secured to the wall, drawer cannot be taken all the way out.

Also, my gun, S&W 38 special, model 10, double action, 4" barrel, 6 shot revolver. I happen to think it's the best type gun going for personal protection. Point and squeeze. Who wants to have to muck around with slides and safeties when set upon by bad outlaws.

[K Graham]

My answer was clear! There will always be men like you, your other account Marcus, Doc Cam and K Graham. Always!!!

You mean educated, masculine men who aren't afraid of sissy roofers.

The founding fathers knew that and they tried there best to make sure when men like you came into power, it would be hard for you guys to destroy the Constitution and the freedom it gives us Americans and the freedom it has spread across the Earth.

The Constitution isn't immutable. It was designed in a way so that it could be changed. The Founding Fathers were likely smart enough to realize that whatever they put in place in the 18th century is likely not going to be enough for a society of hundreds of millions centuries later.

[K Graham]

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you're allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren't.” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Still, Winkler says, it was an affirmation that regulation was compatible with the Second Amendment. The federal government of the 1800s largely stayed out of gun-law court battles.

Hey Mike, remember that time when George Washington had to deal with the Whiskey Rebellion? Idiot Americans with their guns started terrorizing federal officials over a tax on whiskey. Washington responded by gathering an army to disarm them. Like most armed Americans, these men were cowards who dispersed as soon as the army arrived. But they disarmed and took 150 of them and tried them for treason.

So here you have THE Founding Father rejecting your bogus claim that people were supposed to have guns to fight against the Federal government.